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Do keep in mind that the whole series is pretty-much about lies and deception, though

spoiler[I would hardly call triumphant music playing while thousands of brainwashed soldiers die and the people of Gotenba, Fujiyoshidi, and Fujinomiya are killed to be showing the fall of Lelouch.]

Sven Viking wrote:

Do keep in mind that the whole series is pretty-much about lies and deception, though

All fiction is a lie. That's why it's fiction.

Charred Knight wrote:

spoiler[I would hardly call triumphant music playing while thousands of brainwashed soldiers die and the people of Gotenba, Fujiyoshidi, and Fujinomiya are killed to be showing the fall of Lelouch.]

Thanks for spoiler. Anyway, the series does have an implied theme that those who fight must be willing to forfeit their lives. I can't add any more since I'm only at episode 13 of R2.

Sven Viking wrote:

Do keep in mind that the whole series is pretty-much about lies and deception, though

All fiction is a lie. That's why it's fiction.

Jedi Master wrote:

Sven Viking wrote: Do keep in mind that the whole series is pretty-much about lies and deception, though All fiction is a lie. That's why it's fiction. Charred Knight wrote: spoiler[I would hardly call triumphant music playing while thousands of brainwashed soldiers die and the people of Gotenba, Fujiyoshidi, and Fujinomiya are killed to be showing the fall of Lelouch.] Thanks for spoiler. Anyway, the series does have an implied theme that those who fight must be willing to forfeit their lives. I can't add any more since I'm only at episode 13 of R2.

I have no problem with that, obviously when you sign up for the army, you sign up knowing you might be called on to sacrifice your life for your country, but I cross the line at massacring innocent people for your dreams. The idea that this is protrayed as right just sickens me.

Charred Knight: As far as I saw, yes, that was showing the fall of Lelouch (along with all of the last few episodes). He spoiler[became what he hated, whether or not it was theoretically for a noble goal. You weren't even supposed to know about the 'noble goal' part, at that point (unless you'd been following the clues). Up until his 'death', the series was attempting to make viewers think he had been corrupted entirely. That his actions weren't solely motivated by evil and greed was supposed to be a plot twist.]

Sven Viking wrote:

Charred Knight: As far as I saw, yes, that was showing the fall of Lelouch (along with all of the last few episodes). He spoiler[became what he hated, whether or not it was theoretically for a noble goal. You weren't even supposed to know about the 'noble goal' part, at that point (unless you'd been following the clues). Up until his 'death', the series was attempting to make viewers think he had been corrupted entirely. That his actions weren't solely motivated by evil and greed was supposed to be a plot twist.]

The problem is that as soon as the reason for his actions are given. all of his sins are immediatly removed, and his treated like a saint. That a horrible action for a good reason all of a sudden removes the horrible action even if that action was unecessary in the first place is somehow right.

They ignore the many innocent people he killed simply because he did it for a dream he believed in.

The problem is that as soon as the reason for his actions are given. all of his sins are immediatly removed, and his treated like a saint. That a horrible action for a good reason all of a sudden removes the horrible action even if that action was unecessary in the first place is somehow right.

They ignore the many innocent people he killed simply because he did it for a dream he believed in.

And, as mentioned above in the spoiler's tiny writing, the producers also confirmed that spoiler[Nunnally was truly dead, and would not be coming back later in the series.]

The problem is that as soon as the reason for his actions are given. all of his sins are immediatly removed, and his treated like a saint.

I think the series was actually rather clear about his name not going down in history like that of a saint

It's just nothing to be up in arms about. A decent episode within an implied historical epic. Which is also why I see no need for spoiler[Lelouch to return as the lead.] That universe is overly populated with interesting characters, and the mysteries remaining provide numerous opportunities for expanding the story. It's like saying that any sequel to spoiler[The Hobbit would fail without Bilbo Baggins as the lead] .

This seems to have turned into something of a game of Chinese whispers by now.

Sven Viking wrote:

And, as mentioned above in the spoiler's tiny writing, the producers also confirmed that spoiler[Nunnally was truly dead, and would not be coming back later in the series.]

I don't remember that at all. What actually happened: the character relationship chart on the official website was updated while the show was still airing. A number of people probably paid more attention to that than to the actual episode, it seems, or else more of them would have noticed something was fishy to begin with.

Charred Knight wrote:

The problem is that as soon as the reason for his actions are given. all of his sins are immediatly removed, and his treated like a saint.

I think the series was actually rather clear about his name not going down in history like that of a saint, which does counter your statement. If you mean the people who knew him, that's at least a bit different.