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Talamatross
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Because there are plenty of Asian American actors that could do the role? Why does Western automatically mean White? |
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firedragon54738
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Well she may work out but it most likely going to be a big buget piece of crap
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asapscasino
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Well I never even used the word "white" in what I wrote. I said non-asian which would include many races.  Maybe said actors aren't as good as who are chosen for the role?
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Sinbad96
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Does it matter? Frozen didn't have American actors. |
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rinkwolf10
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Wow, just no. I read the manga after watching the movie and the movie is by far the stronger of the two. The manga spent a few chapters on how he "had an epiphany" that he should use a SWORD to kill the mimics and not the spears and how he went about doing that. The manga is good in it's own right as dumb entertainment, where as the Movie give the story more mature, meaningful and practical adaption/outlook material. |
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kdmccaskill
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Frozen characters are white, my family is half Japanese and half half white, and i swear the people in my family ook like anime characters Anime characters don't look white or asian, they look like a mix of both, hollywood is to dumb to see this |
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AiddonValentine
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No thank you; I do not need more whitewashing than there already is in entertainment. Moving on.
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teferi
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So why do Asian production all use Asian actors? It's not like you see many Asian dramas/movies where they go out of their way to use white actors for white roles. It sells so that's what they go with. |
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nhat
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Margot Robbie loss for turning down the role. Maybe she'll make it big in that other movie but she probably doesn't realize how big Ghost in the Shell is either....
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walw6pK4Alo
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Because there's many a few tens of thousands of whites in the country total? This argument has come up before: How many non-Japanese live in Japan? How many are actors? How many are good actors? How many are good enough actors in Japanese that they won't be subtitled on screen or just dubbed over? Trying to say Japan is like America as far as hiring opportunity is saying no English-speaking Asian actors live in America. Maybe it's more the lack of any bankable Asian stars that aren't martial artists. Point is, it should be easier for us to find Asian-Americans to fill a role than for Japan to find non-Japanese to fill a role. |
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GateCrusherDX
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Japanese=/=Asian. Japanese are no less Asian than German-Americans are "European", yet neither consider themselves to have backgrounds from their continent of origin. They exclusively refer to themselves as their nationality, since nationality, unless you're Liberian or South Korean=/=race or ethnicity. Oh, and the fact that Japan unlike much of the left wing South American countries does not believe in the pan theory of union.
As "Asian" is a broad term, this could technically mean that any Arab woman from the Gulf states could play Motoko, given that the Gulf states are in Western Asia. Let's not forget that "white people" are also very diverse in genotypes. For example. If we were to cast a "red headed pale man" as an "Italian-American" that would certainly be unbelievable, given that Italians on average are much darker skinned, usually containing hazel or brown eyes, as well as brown/black hair or very dark blonde hair. Let's remember that some Japanese fans were upset that a Chinese-Malaysian woman was cast as a geisha in Memoirs of a Geisha, which shows that specific nationalities is more important than a vague term like "Asian" given that "Mongoloids" have distinctive features that are fairly simple to distinguish from each other. I know that the average "Taiwanese" person is of mixed Han and Native blood and it shows, making it easy to tell a "Taiwanese" from a "Chinese" person. |
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Stuart Smith
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I also feel the need to point out despite Japan's monolithic ethnicity, they still have zero problem showing American movies in their threaters, both subbed and dubbed, or keeping Americanisms in shows and movies they do bring over. American cartoons and games 99% of the time still retain their American names and setting and culture, and will not try to localize it like America does with a lot of Japanese anime and games. This is a real false equivalency, because by all rights America should have no problem casting Asians in the starring role given how much the country promotes itself as a melting pot. For what it's worth, Japan does cast white people in certain roles when they have the chance to, as well as having full English dialog in some shows and movies, which is impressive given the limitations they have. -Stuart Smith |
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GateCrusherDX
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Localize=/=changing of setting. All games that are translated have some localization. This is a fact. There have to be some slight changes, but it does not mean major change. For example, Kingdom Hearts is localized, but given the fact that every Japanese character retains their original name shows that stuff like that is not localization. American fast food outlets in Japan are "localized" to give it a more "Japanese flavor" which is a good thing, IMHO. Different cultures needs to implement some of their own flavor even in foreign outlets, what have you. As for anime, most anime is shown on Adult Swim or released on DVD uncut with mostly little to no unneeded changes. Some edits for Adult Swim are done, which is annoying given its name, but nothing too too bad. Also, Japan is not that homogeneous. Given that it records its inhabitants by nationality and not ethnic lines proves that this statement is misleading. Granted, it's obvious to see that Japan is overwhelmingly Yamato without official ethnic/racial stats, but it's not so mono-cultural. Also, America is a melting pot, but that term implies that those who come to America become American by losing their original nationality and becoming solely loyal to the US. Relative to Canada or Sweden, most non-white immigrants are more "American" than "Chinese-Canadians" are "Canadian", so this theory is not one of multiculturalism. It subverts that theory, actually. |
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Eivion
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Johansson seems like a decent choice for the role. I've never been amazed with her acting, but she is solid enough and seems like she could pull of the attitude of the Major well.
As far as casting a non-Japanese actress for the role goes, I would have a big problem if the story was actually going to still take place in Japan. At this point there is probably zero chance in hell of that happening, and I expect most of the characters to be Americanized. You might actually see one of them still be of Japanese decent considering all the ethnicities we host, but otherwise it would be sort of ridiculous to expect a Japanese cast on an American production likely taking place in America. |
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EyeOfPain
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There have been studies regarding this phenomenon. Most likely, you're just seeing what you're most familiar with when you see a face.
The original material was a novel, so the manga, like the film, is another adaptation. |
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