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Actar
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Precisely. Not to mention, doing a research project on Comiket and doujinshi, I've come to understand that they play a more significant part in the lives of the otaku/fans than one might think. Both of them act as not only mediums for the otaku to get together and form close communities, but also as a means for the otaku to get closer to the fictional characters that they like through another layer of fictionalization. Putting a ban on or restricting doujinshi would be devastating for not only the otaku, but the industry as a whole as the repercussions would be very wide-reaching. |
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Rederoin
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First the came for they..... and I did not speak up.. etc.. |
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scchan
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While I do not think the clause is really intended to target Doujins (sounds more like a consequence of lobbying from Silicon Valley, South Korean tech industry, Hollywood and larger Japanese entertainment companies), it does sound like to have important consequence to doujin fandom. It is probably targeting piracy and copyright violations in the TPP developing nations (to give those governments to enforce copyright violations easier where the big guys like Apple, Disney, Samsung or Sony cannot enforce and monitor easily, while being benefactors from the enforcements - politics as usual haha).
A possible way to get around this for the anime industry to grant right to use their IPs up to revenue cap. Like you can sell the doujins up to this much. The line will be crossed when the circles get too big to become more like a business. A good example is that Gainax grows out from the fandom circle; so you can't go Gainax with your doujins. Anyway, the biggest fan circles nowadays are Touhou and Kancolle. Zun pretty much copylefted his IP; Kancolle circles are more borderline I think. PS: I know fans are going to be going ballistic over this. In the end, I feel there are ways to deal with this. TPP as whole is expected to be generate more economic benefits than losses for the whole economy. As in all negotiations and political games, there will be some winners and losers. Anyway, I just wish TPP is negotiated in more transparent way; but I bet the same folks who put in this clause don't want to be transparent out of pure self interest. I can speculate which specific companies want this clause to be there, and they don't want themselves to be known for the backslash. |
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EleutheroMaster
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And given that the TPP is a U.S.-authored trade agremeent, some of those protests could be directed against the U.S. and its interests. |
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Kadmos1
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Given Disney's involvement with copyright renewal, I wouldn't put it past them to be one of the groups backing this act.
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Hehaho1830
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TPP gives US Corporations a fast track on trade deals by skipping steps in congress, if it passes corporations in the US will basically be ABOVE some laws, you can bet what happens next. And this is also an reincarnation of SOPA, and is likely to get passed because politicians are playing the "China is working on a similar law, we need this passed now so democracy will win" card.
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Paulo27
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Thought this was about Twitch Plays Pokémon.
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walw6pK4Alo
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Who knows man, and even if it is mass exaggeration on our part, the entire deal just doesn't seem worth the risk in any capacity. |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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No it hasn't been voted on yet and it might never be, but you could say it is a start to Obama's "pivot to Asia". He and his Party have been persuing this for several years now like the "Affordable Care Act" and you didn't need to know all about that before they voted it into law either. Don't wait until "they officially say" because they won't. "They " will say things like "health care will be free for all" then it will "be free or affordable" and then you will be charged $2k/yr/person for not having a $1k/month health policy (and you still won't have coverage). Hope isn't a strategy. Everyone should be demanding thier representatives that this proposed treaty be fully disclosed and debated like Republicans are trying to do with Obama's "secret" Iran deal. If your reprentative won't do that or says "let's wait for the full (ratified) treaty to be made public" before doing anything about it, never vote for that representative again. |
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Hameyadea
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The dōjinshi (self-published work) industry, while technically illegal in Japan, isn't persecuted due to the fact the many authors & artists got to show their talents & abilities in a place where they'll be viewed by the their targeted audience & representatives of publishing companies. Shokugeki no Sōma's artist, Saeki Shun started with doing pornographic dōjinshi. The upcoming Shimoneta to Iu Gainen ga Sonzai Shinai Taikutsu na Sekai (also animated by J.C. Staff) appears to be based on the manga's art style, which is done by Yuzuki N', who also started by publishing pornographic dōjinshi. And there's the upcoming anime Sore ga Seiyū!, based on a 2-volume dōjinshi written by seiyū Asano Masumi and illustrated by Hayate no Gotoku!'s author, Hata Kenjirō.
And there are many more examples. So the dōjinshi industry is an important cultural aspect of Japan's content creators & publishers. From what I've read so far about the TPP, it would seem that it could crush that industry, whether or not either party (the dōjinshi creators, the publishers, and the IP rights holders) wants a legal action to be taken. If the dōjinshi industry was "in the gray" until now, should the TPP be granted a legal status, it will put that industry in the "dead-center black". |
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H. Guderian
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The internet is embroiled in a whole ton of censorship fights as of late, and I certainly will be against censorship in this case as well. Our beloved anime and manga are great because they have the possibility to get away with anything. The rights of creators, doujin or not, must be preserved. You can hate ero-doujin, or some H-game, but those only exist in the first place because creators have so much freedom.
The TPP was penned in countries where things like Disney's tyranical use of Copyright is considered fair and normal. Think Konami's recent abuse of rules to silence discussion on all of it's dumb decisions is gonna get better under TPP? TPP passing is bad for everyone but the companies. |
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Rensie
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TPP is a terrible law that give corporations huge and insane power. I don't want this crap in my country too, stupid Us government
and your criminal lobbies, stop to put your nose into other countries affairs and cutlures. |
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Brutannica
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It's important to keep in mind that TPP goes far, far beyond the doujin or anime industry. That's why I included the list of countries involved: to highlight that this is a global effort to reduce trade barriers. The agreement tackles a number of key sectors, like agriculture, telecommunications, financial services, textiles and medicine. By lowering tariffs it will make goods cheaper and more widely available. That's what "globalization" is all about: making global products more easily available. It's also a key component of the Western (and especially American) led world order and will set environmental and labor standards for some emerging economies. In comparison to these factors Comiket is a drop in the bucket.
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Polycell
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Free trade is a unilateral position; byzantine trade deals are anything but. The handling of copyrights in that mess is enough reason alone to scuttle it; any extension of terms needs to be fought tooth and nail - they''re already far, far too long as it is.
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Kalessin
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Unless it falls under fair use (and it frequently doesn't), the technically, the copyright holders could go after folks doing fanart right now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use The big change here is that copyright infringement would then become a criminal offense rather than a civil one, so the police could choose to arrest you over what they viewed as copyright infringement without the copyright holder complaining first. Even the horror that is the DMCA doesn't do that. The TPP is another in a long line of attempts to stop copyright infringement via the criminal, legal system. The corporations keep desperately trying to get more and more tyrannical laws in place in a desperate attempt to stop people from pirating their stuff and in an effort to control their stuff in a way that basically gets rid of fair use (e.g. at least some aspects of fair use technically are illegal under the DMCA, which is of course in contradiction with other laws, but of course, that won't be sorted out unless/until someone actually fights a related suit in court and actually manages to get the courts to rule on the matter). They don't want you to just pay for what you get from them. They want to bleed you dry over it. There is no question that the TPP should be burned with fire - completely aside from the doujinshi issue. It's just plain bad for everyone. It's a blatant case of corporations controlling politics for their benefit (though I suspect it'll ultimately hurt them in the end anyway). We'd be far better off if some of the existing laws and agreements were eliminated (like the DMCA), but instead, they keep trying to add more. I certainly don't condone piracy, and I'm often horrified at how willing many people are to pirate stuff as long as they aren't going to get caught, but what the companies are doing in response is truly horrible and is hurting everyone, not just those who pirate stuff. On the bright side, the fact that the TPP affects doujinshi is at least getting the TPP talked about more. And hopefully at minimum, Japan refuses to sign it. And hopefully, the US congress never ratifies it either, even if the President is stupid enough to sign it. |
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