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The Mike Toole Show - The Glitter Force Awakens


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GOTZFAUST



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:54 am Reply with quote
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Personally, I feel your discussion about how anime is cut for content in Germany is quite interesting. I hear German parents are quite touchy about violence in children's programming in a similar way American parents are about suggestive content, meaning anime like Naruto and Dragon Ball would be even more vulnerable to massive editing.


Personally, I feel if there are multiple choices for children's programming, the network should not feel obligated to respond to parents concerns (or opinions).
In Cartoon Network's case, were Anime was at, and if the parents dont like it they should just let their kid watch Nick and Disney instead.
In Germany, anime was on one channel, while other childrens programing was avaible too.

In France, Italy and Spains case, anime was on the biggest (and only) children's programming block. So of course, there would tons of protests about Japanese cartoons, and wanting them off air.
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[quote="leafy sea dragon"]
Then again, I had another thought earlier today: Tinkerbell's skirt is very short (well, her dress's hemline anyway), and she, more than ever, is a staple of entertainment and merchandising for little girls. No one complains about how Tinkerbell's dress should cover more of her legs. Is it because Tinkerbell's age is vague, whereas those girls in Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXaL are clearly below 18?
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Portrayal plays a part in it: Tinkerbell's dress is treated like a ballet costume while a lot of short skirts, including those of school uniforms, are treated like curtains that can be lifted up; Sailor Moon went for the Tinkerbell-style which is why, in that regard, it passed the sniff test 99% of the time.

But, for the most part, it's just the double standard that has existed for decades when bringing in foreign kids animation: American shows and movies are automatically assumed to have passed the test of appropriateness while foreign media underwent inspection, during creation, under a separate set of rules so it needs to be "fixed".

Rather than "waste" time trying to get foreign product to fit the fickle standards of various networks, they cut it, not just down to, but beyond the lowest level of acceptance.

Mach Go Go Go and Jonny Quest are pretty much on par for the type of series that they are: Jonny Quest aired uncut on a major network in primetime while Mach Go Go Go was chopped up for airing, on the very same network.

Sailor Moon aired about the same time as Gargoyles and The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest but was still edited upside down and inside out.
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GOTZFAUST wrote:
Personally, I feel if there are multiple choices for children's programming, the network should not feel obligated to respond to parents concerns (or opinions).
In Cartoon Network's case, were Anime was at, and if the parents dont like it they should just let their kid watch Nick and Disney instead.
In Germany, anime was on one channel, while other childrens programing was avaible too.

In France, Italy and Spains case, anime was on the biggest (and only) children's programming block. So of course, there would tons of protests about Japanese cartoons, and wanting them off air.


The reason why the argument "just switch to a different channel" doesn't apply is twofold: The first is that they complain not due to a lack of alternatives, but due to intent. That is, these parents are offended that a channel is airing it at all and is aiming it at children. The target of blame is not the show itself (from the cases I've seen, it rarely is), but the channel for deciding to show something with offensive content, and thus the channel's credibility with it.

The second is that anime was edited the most heavily for content when anime was at its most popular. The original Toonami, for instance, was bar none the most viewed animation block on cable television. When something is that popular, some parents and religious leaders become uncomfortable and perceive it as a threat.

One more possibility is that some kids might not be interested in anything else airing at that time. What was showing on Nickelodeon at the same time as Dragon Ball Z? CatDog? As Told by Ginger? Undoubtedly something far, far removed from anime, as Nickelodeon had never been interested in action shows in the first place, let alone anime. The Disney Channel, at the time, was also a premium channel, like HBO, that charged extra, and thus a lot of households with Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon didn't have Disney.

That being said, there were many households during that time that refused to let kids watch certain channels. That was the purpose of the V-Chip, after all. (Still, effectively using the V-Chip required a level of savviness and familiarity with these shows most parents simply did not have.)

All in all, the dynamic is different. American kids typically were the wielders of the TV remotes in the afternoon with the parents either at work or doing something else. The kids themselves decide what to watch, hence the V-Chip forcibly excluding content or making them password-protected.

Also, if the network doesn't respond to these complaints, parents then take them to court.

CandisWhite wrote:
Portrayal plays a part in it: Tinkerbell's dress is treated like a ballet costume while a lot of short skirts, including those of school uniforms, are treated like curtains that can be lifted up; Sailor Moon went for the Tinkerbell-style which is why, in that regard, it passed the sniff test 99% of the time.

But, for the most part, it's just the double standard that has existed for decades when bringing in foreign kids animation: American shows and movies are automatically assumed to have passed the test of appropriateness while foreign media underwent inspection, during creation, under a separate set of rules so it needs to be "fixed".

Rather than "waste" time trying to get foreign product to fit the fickle standards of various networks, they cut it, not just down to, but beyond the lowest level of acceptance.

Mach Go Go Go and Jonny Quest are pretty much on par for the type of series that they are: Jonny Quest aired uncut on a major network in primetime while Mach Go Go Go was chopped up for airing, on the very same network.

Sailor Moon aired about the same time as Gargoyles and The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest but was still edited upside down and inside out.


Regarding skirts and dresses, do you mean as in Tinkerbell's and Sailor Moon's look stiff but elastic?

That's an interesting point though: The assumption is that domestic entertainment is created under domestic standards of appropriateness and that foreign content has to double over and jump through hoops to show that they've become appropriate.

Though I'd bet it's also because anime had, and still has, a stereotype of being pornographic or horrifically violent that it has to overcome.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:33 am Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:

CandisWhite wrote:
Portrayal plays a part in it: Tinkerbell's dress is treated like a ballet costume while a lot of short skirts, including those of school uniforms, are treated like curtains that can be lifted up; Sailor Moon went for the Tinkerbell-style which is why, in that regard, it passed the sniff test 99% of the time.


Regarding skirts and dresses, do you mean as in Tinkerbell's and Sailor Moon's look stiff but elastic?


Bingo. It's the reason why a one-piece bathing suit is considered more modest than a short skirt: There's no threat, real or perceived, of exposure.

Many female cartoon characters wear short skirts because long skirts as seen as either for balls or old ladies but the laws of physics are usually thrown out the window to preserve modesty.

On the flip side, there are many anime shows, even ones that are made for kids, that have "Was that really necessary?" shots (some of young girls, ick) but as far as the skirt censoring in that Yu-Gi-Oh show goes, I'd chalk it up to, as you said, cheap stereotypes and lazy dubbers who do sweeping edits, just to make something appropriate at the lowest level possible, with as little effort, respect, or intelligence, possible.
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