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Last edited by DmonHiro on Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:30 pm; edited 3 times in total

I do not, in any form, belive that this is sexist. I think anyone who thinks this is sexists is just looking for something to be offended.

Blood- wrote:

the inherent sexism in a phrase like "cute girls doing cute things" then what I can I say?

This might be one of the most idiotic things ever written on this forum. What, in the name of the 8 circles of Hell, is sexist about cute girls doing cute things? Would it still be sexist if the girls were ugly? How about if the girls were cute but weren't doing cute things? Dear Lord...

Blood- wrote:

Yeah, the fact there is no such thing as a "cute boys doing cute things" genre should tell you volumes.

I'll take "Fake statements" for 500, Bob! What is Hetalia? What is UtaPri? What is Nanbaka? What is Danshi Koukousei? What is Free? Did I win yet?

Blood- wrote:

There was plenty that was inflammatory before I got to the thread. Starting with the rocket scientist who said he saw the columnist in question was half-Japanese and half-Egyptian and stopped reading.

And the fact that you said "moe=sexism" at the top of page 4.

Blood- wrote:

I love how virtually all the arguments in opposition to the opinion that the images under question are sexist boils down to, "I personally don't feel they're sexist, so they're not." ...

As opposed to... ? What exactly? You just closed off the opposing argument by dismissing its validity.

"I personally" meaning "my opinion." Well, yeah... who else's opinion? If someone is going to agree or disagree with something, what else is there for them to say if not their opinion?

That's how discussions work. Someone will say they like or dislike something, which is a purely opinionated statement, then follow up with reasons as to why they think that way.

Bringing up the topic at hand, if someone doesn't feel it's sexist, then it therefore isn't sexist to them. I honestly don't follow your reasoning for thinking that's wrong.

Today it's moe girls tomorrow it'll be god knows what because with people this stupid there's really no rhyme or reason to there madness. Rolling Eyes

rizuchan wrote:

I also wanted to point out this part of the article which I found interesting:

Quote:

Morooka said sorori kao depictions have a bad reputation among adult women. She said the representations rely on old-fashioned concepts of beauty that "stimulate men's sexual desires." She added that some men have also recently criticized such passive and submissive facial expressions on depictions of women. Morooka said sorori kao depictions are a step backwards in the present "gender-conscious age."

Because I've been kind of wondering this for a while. It's rather like how so much of Japanese porn features women pretending not to enjoy themselves (pretending to pretend not to?). I would like a credible source on this, but I was always under the impression that this was still a cultural thing and it would be interesting to know how actual Japanese women feel about it.

"Some people" is wikipediese for "I think" which allows people to state their opinion in an authorative manner. "Some people" also think it isn't sexist. iirc the people who defended moe and sexualization of female characters in that UN hearing were women .

If you want an uncredible source on porn, theres those "Japanese people react to American porn" videos on YouTube and they talk about Jalanese porn

PS Am I the only one who thinks this character on the left looks like a pallette swap of spoiler[Vivian James]?

Blood- wrote:

I love how virtually all the arguments in opposition to the opinion that the images under question are sexist boils down to, "I personally don't feel they're sexist, so they're not." And of course virtually all (if not actually all) the posters saying that are male. And I'd venture to say not the part of the male population that has actually been in relationships with real, live, human females. Oi vey.

*sigh* I will admit, just immediately insulting someone doesn't really prove a point. Pretty much my kneejerk reaction to stuff like this.

I've been scanning through this forum (because apparently this is such an issue it needs 5 pages worth of comments plus my own) so if I missed something sorry, but this is FICTION. Do you not know what that means? Females are in the businesses that ok this kind of stuff. Are you telling me that these females are sexist? I highly doubt so. Also the "I personally don't fell they're sexist" aren't you being the same here, except on the opposite side? Nothing you said "that I remember, sorry this thread is too big" has been objectively true. Its only been subjectively true.

Last edited by ChrissyC on Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:50 pm; edited 1 time in total

Karima Morooka is definitely blowing this up, quite a bit.

Edit: I like to read the discussions but of course it turns into arguments rather than discussions. Anime is serious, isn`t it?

Blood- wrote:

There was plenty that was inflammatory before I got to the thread. Starting with the rocket scientist who said he saw the columnist in question was half-Japanese and half-Egyptian and stopped reading.

Would be nice if you said my 4 character username that is not hard to remember. Your assumption is wrong. 2 strikes already for you. Laughing

Last edited by Blood- on Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:02 pm; edited 1 time in total

DmonHiro wrote:

I do not, in any form, belive that this is sexist. I think anyone who thinks this is sexists is just looking for something to be offended.

Blood- wrote:

the inherent sexism in a phrase like "cute girls doing cute things" then what I can I say?

This might be one of the most idiotic things ever written on this forum. What, in the name of the 8 circles of Hell, is sexist about cute girls doing cute things? Would it still be sexist if the girls were ugly? How about if the girls were cute but weren't doing cute things? Dear Lord...

Oh, for Christ's sake, I already explained my reasoning. Hey, if you don't buy it or don't understand it, then just say so, but don't pretend I didn't explain it. Let me break it down for you: what do you think the overall message of a cgdct show is? That females are highly independent, deeply intelligent, awesomely effective, completely unsilly people? Or that they are cute widdle creatures who are often goofy and my isn't it fun to watch their adorable little foibles? Kinda like watching fuzzy baby animals, innit?

DmonHiro wrote:

Blood- wrote:

Yeah, the fact there is no such thing as a "cute boys doing cute things" genre should tell you volumes.

I'll take "Fake statements" for 500, Bob! What is Hetalia? What is UtaPri? What is Nanbaka? What is Danshi Koukousei? What is Free? Did I win yet?

Bishounen and reverse harems are not the equivalent of cgdct shows. Out of all the shows you listed the closest that comes to a cute guys doing cute things shows might be Hetalia. But even if there really was a cute guys doing cute things genre - which there isn't - it still isn't relevant to the overall point.

This is going to floor you, this is going to blow your mind, but for most of human history, females have been prized for their physical appearance and very little else. So moe and cgdct shows which have the effect of reducing female characters to helpless waifs who need our big, strong male help, our male wisdom to see them through their travails or reduce them to cute little fluffballs who do the cutest things, that's a problem. Aaaaaaaand, I have zero confidence you will understand any of this.

KH91 wrote:

Blood- wrote:

There was plenty that was inflammatory before I got to the thread. Starting with the rocket scientist who said he saw the columnist in question was half-Japanese and half-Egyptian and stopped reading.

Would be nice if you said my 4 character username that is not hard to remember. Your assumption is wrong. 2 strikes already for you. Laughing

Here's what you wrote in full:

KH91 wrote:

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Half-Egyptian, half-Japanese

That's where I stopped reading.

Seems pretty self-explanatory to me. However, if I have missed some important nuance in your statement, please feel free to explain.

Blood- wrote:

Yeah, the fact there is no such thing as a "cute boys doing cute things" genre should tell you volumes.

Odd. What are Tsuritama, Daily Lives of High School Boys, Nijiiro Days, Kimi to Boku, or hell even things like Free and Ouran then?

Blood- wrote:

Aaaaaaaand, I have zero confidence you will understand any of this.

I understand what you are saying perfectly. I just don't agree with it in the slightests.
You should also drop the condescending tone, you're not as clever as you think you are.

Cute girls doing cute things are almost always slice of life shows. " highly independent, deeply intelligent, awesomely effective, completely unsilly people"

Let's break this one down. This is going to be fun.

1.Highly independent: Independat of what, exactly? What should a femele character in a slive of life show do to be highly independant? Climb a mountain? Fight against world hunger? Go job hunting? Should they never need any help from anybody ever?
2.Deeply intelligent: You must have watched some pretty weird shows if all the charatcers were dumb. There's always at least one highly inteligent charatcer in a group, male of female. Or is EVERYONE stupposed to be deeply intelligent?
3. Awesomely effective: Yui from K-On could tune a guitar by ear. That's not only effective, it's borderline super-human. Sadly, as in real life, not everyone is going to have a special tallent.
4.Completely unsilly people: News flash: most people ARE silly. High schoolers more so.
BONUS. "need our big, strong male help, our male wisdom to see them through their travails": What the hell are you even ON about? Most cute girls shows don't even HAVE a male character. What have you been watching?

Basically, from what you've said, I understand perfectly that you have a problem with shows about cute girls and think they are sexist, misoginistic, whateveristic. That, and you are projecting so hard you could show PowerPoint presentations.

PS: I am well aware of the hypocrisy of my own condescending tone, thank you very much. I just think you deserve it.

Last edited by Megiddo on Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:24 pm; edited 1 time in total

If there is a guy in a cute girls doing cute things show then it's usually a whipping/erand boy like in Sansha Sanyou or Saki. I can't think of a single cute girls doing cute things show where I can say that the cast needed a "big, strong male help, our male wisdom to see them through their travails"

Sure, there are times where they rely on other characters who happen to be male. In Aria the mail-dude helps out Aria a good deal for instance, but that's mainly because she had also helped him out in the past. Or there's the cast of Hanayamata who needed help getting yosakoi equipment so they went to yosakoi store whose owner was male. He was able to help them because he had the equipment they needed, not because he was big and strong (which, to be fair, he was).

I'm going to have to ask exactly what cute girls doing cute things show you are talking about Blood-, because I've seen a large chunk of them.

Megiddo wrote:

Blood- wrote:

Yeah, the fact there is no such thing as a "cute boys doing cute things" genre should tell you volumes.

Odd. What are Tsuritama, Daily Lives of High School Boys, Nijiiro Days, Kimi to Boku, or hell even things like Free and Ouran then?

Comedies, generally. Had you ever heard the term "cute guys doing cute things" before this thread? I highly doubt it. But yeah, I get it. This is where we all pretend that Free and Is This Order a Rabbit are basically the same thing, except the gender of the cast, right? Rolling Eyes

Plus, although it may be unclear, I was differentiating a moe "male must help poor fragile female/s show" from moe "cgdct" shows. They are both moe, both generally sexist, just in different ways.

Last edited by Megiddo on Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:35 pm; edited 1 time in total

I've been using cute-boys-doing-cute-things ever since Tsuritama was released because that was the best way I could describe that show.

EDIT: Hold on, I think I figured it out. You're thinking of shows like Interview with Monsters Girls where the one main male character solves all the girls problems as they fawn all over him, aren't you? That's not a cute-girls-doing-cute-things show. That's a harem. Switch your argument from cute-girls-doing-cute-things shows are sexist to harem shows are sexist and it'd be a much saner and easily supported argument.

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