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Otaprince



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:46 am Reply with quote
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BTW, does anyone know if Gainax will ever actually make Blue Uru?


there's been no solid info in years but Yamaga has indicated that whether Aoki Uru gets made depends on the market in Japan and abroad for original anime films. So if Production IG and Gonzo movies do well, it makes Aoki Uru that much more likely.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:12 pm Reply with quote
[/quote]The Diebuster series will be released under the title Gunbuster 2 in three discs of two episodes each. No release date has been set, and no box set is currently planned.[/quote]

Oh boo. Come on, Bandai Visual: you're not going to put a dub track on the release, yet you might go a step further by not including a box? Friggin cheap.

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Honneamise is gonna be a tough sell. I'd imagine it didn't do well enough for Manga to go through the trouble of double-dipping on it.


1) Gatsu, do you like any Gainax anime other than Gunbuster?

2) Others have already mentioned it, but it was tough for Manga Ent. to secure the license to the Renewal. Hell, they're going through the same issue with the two Evangelion movies.

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I'm hoping they're eavesdropping on this thread, so I can let them know I'd rather get Angel's Egg and
Silent Mobius instead.


As giddy as I would become at Angel's Egg getting licensed, I don't forsee Bandai Visual bringing it over because aside from the fact that it isn't mecha or some insane chlid of a crazed parent (Go Nagi

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The song change is bs, though. The original music has long been parodied without repercussions, so I don't see why Gunbuster would be at risk, especially
if U.S. Renditions already got away with it.


Even though Bandai Visual is being overly cautious, and I was initially pissed at them replacing the music, I got over it. It helps when you watch the scene in question and realize that the music that they replaced it with is not only on the Gunbuster soundtrack but also equally fitting to the scene itself (minus the parody portion). Instead, we get a lot of hardcore elitists who cancel and return their orders because they essentially view the series as "unwatchable" with a music alteration. Rolling Eyes
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Renaisance Otaku



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:16 am Reply with quote
That's something of a harsh pespective. Most people I know who cancel their orders (though most couldn't in time anyway) erely don't wish to support decisions like this. It's a principal kind of thing. I love how anyone taking a strong stance on anything that isn't in favor of the status qoue is automatically an elitest. Considering that there is no reason given for the change, alternative boxsets, and the want to not support stuff like that when it's practically snuck by one, I'd say it''s their choice to ake, ad has little to do with whether it's, "unwatchable" now.

I have seen the change, and don't think the music fits very well at all. The music was written for a battle preperation scene, not a training one. It's not eant for the seqeunce, nor does it sound like it should. Sound effects are missing, and the entire audio in that half of the episode suffers fro the reencode. I'm sure any would consider that unacceptable for a 60+ dollar boxset of a series that's been available for years without the change... Rolling Eyes Cool

It makes more sense to be peeved over it than over the supposed lack of a stupid piece of worthless cardboard with some ink on it. Why ADV (or whomever) had to start that lame craze, I don't know? I like pretty boxes as much as the next guy, and if it includes a shirt or a CD, I have no problem considering it. 9 times out of 10 though it's a cheap marketing gimmick to suck an extra five to ten bucks out of one's walllet. Sometimes it's the same price or a little more. Best Buy has been known to mark it up to 10 to 15 bucks more, which is ridiculous. I'd rather buy a manga than a piece of folded cardboard if that's all I'm getting just because it's looks pretty on the shelf. Besides, they said "box set". There's not word on a disc one plus space consuming cardboard yet. Nor have they metioned that it won't be dubbed. Don't jump to conclusions just yet. I I'm sure you'll get you're pretty paper... Anime smile
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HellKorn



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:19 pm Reply with quote
Renaisance Otaku wrote:
That's something of a harsh pespective. Most people I know who cancel their orders (though most couldn't in time anyway) erely don't wish to support decisions like this. It's a principal kind of thing. I love how anyone taking a strong stance on anything that isn't in favor of the status qoue is automatically an elitest.


I understand not going ahead with it on principal (censorship and edits in general I'm absolutely against), but some, not all, of their reactions are as if Bandai Visual has committed an attrocity against mankind.

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Considering that there is no reason given for the change,


Wha'? I thought that it was due to the avoidance of being sued for the musical similiarities to Chariots of Fire. A weak reason that wouldn't really hold up well in court, but I can understand why Bandai Visual made the change.

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alternative boxsets, and the want to not support stuff like that when it's practically snuck by one, I'd say it''s their choice to ake, ad has little to do with whether it's, "unwatchable" now.


I'm more bothered by the way it was announced rather than the fact the music was replaced with another background piece from the soundtrack.

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I have seen the change, and don't think the music fits very well at all. The music was written for a battle preperation scene, not a training one. It's not eant for the seqeunce, nor does it sound like it should.


Mileage will vary. Personally I think it's fitting because what it is parodying is a training scene, and spoiler[while Noriko was preparing to go out into space for battle, the whole thing struck me as a training to get better control, not just to fight against car-wazy alien monsters from space.]

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Sound effects are missing, and the entire audio in that half of the episode suffers fro the reencode.


Right thar is a good reason to be complainin'.

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I'm sure any would consider that unacceptable for a 60+ dollar boxset of a series that's been available for years without the change... Rolling Eyes Cool


I would think that they would be grateful that its finally available after years of it not being avaible on DVD for a North American audience. If they aren't, they could always go for the R3 set, the R0 set put out by BV if they're desperate, or wait for the Gunbuster vs. Diebuster movie set that they'll release later in the year if that will suffice.

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It makes more sense to be peeved over it than over the supposed lack of a stupid piece of worthless cardboard with some ink on it. Why ADV (or whomever) had to start that lame craze, I don't know?


The Japanese, me thinks.

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9 times out of 10 though it's a cheap marketing gimmick to suck an extra five to ten bucks out of one's walllet.


And the collector in me shall not complain in spite of that fact. Wink

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Besides, they said "box set". There's not word on a disc one plus space consuming cardboard yet. Nor have they metioned that it won't be dubbed. Don't jump to conclusions just yet. I I'm sure you'll get you're pretty paper... Anime smile


The problem though is that the release is only, what, a little over two months away and they haven't really clarified much on it. I'm not particular on an English dub, but I would like for them to put out a box to hold all three disks to look purdy on mah shelf because of the likelihood of "Japanese audio only."
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:25 pm Reply with quote
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I understand not going ahead with it on principal (censorship and edits in general I'm absolutely against), but some, not all, of their reactions are as if Bandai Visual has committed an attrocity against mankind.


Hardly. They've been pretty civil actually.

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Considering that there is no reason given for the change,


Wha'? I thought that it was due to the avoidance of being sued for the musical similiarities to Chariots of Fire. A weak reason that wouldn't really hold up well in court, but I can understand why Bandai Visual made the change.


Nope. That's fan conjecture. The only statement on copyright issues was an unofficial one from the ALA rep. The official explanation is, "[it's] something they felt they had to do". That's it. For all we know. they just didn't like the piano in it or something.

Though it's pretty much figured that it's the Chariots of Fire thing. Still, 15 years in the US, and this being the forth release, and the only one changed. It's pretty random. The unaltered R0, released a meager four months prior, makes the change even more odd.

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I'm more bothered by the way it was announced rather than the fact the music was replaced with another background piece from the soundtrack.


As am I somewhat. Especially since I was the one to announce it.

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Mileage will vary. Personally I think it's fitting because what it is parodying is a training scene, and spoiler[while Noriko was preparing to go out into space for battle, the whole thing struck me as a training to get better control, not just to fight against car-wazy alien monsters from space.]


I disagree, as I don't feel any connection between the two. The music they used is meant to be strong early battle music, not training music. It sounds far too triumphant for a girl starting her quest.


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I would think that they would be grateful that its finally available after years of it not being avaible on DVD for a North American audience. If they aren't, they could always go for the R3 set, the R0 set put out by BV if they're desperate, or wait for the Gunbuster vs. Diebuster movie set that they'll release later in the year if that will suffice.


We should be grateful that's it's finally available, but with a frivolous change that's not meant to be announced, and when it does, we're told that if we don't like it, we can buy a much more expensive version that lacks subtitles ad is available in all of four or five stores in the entire country? We should be grateful that a near perfect set of a near perfect anime is side tracked for seemingly no reason? I'm not grateful for that.

Sure, I'm grateful that it'll be more common. I'm grateful that they put out an unaltered set with even more features than the R1. Though I'm not grateful that I'm having to pick it up for another, less favorable reason than to just legally acquire them I'm grateful that I won't have to tell people who've never heard of it that it's only on hard to find VHS'. Sure I'm grateful that they tried to give it a good release with a nice booklet and most of the major R2 extras. However, I think we all have a right to be disappointed with this issue, and their insulting handling of it. This isn't the day and age where we're lucky for what gets put out. It's the age where nearly every two bit series gets its own purdy box. Wink

Oh, I am grateful that the manager of San Francisco's Kinokuniya was such a great guy as to let me have their displays, and buy the R0 after the store had already closed. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:53 am Reply with quote
I just watched my copy of Gunbuster a few hours ago. The change in the music didn't bother me, and I might not have even have noticed since it's been many years since I last saw the series. There is a song in Gundam 0083 during the navel review that rips from James Horner's Glory (seriously compare them, they are the same song on a different key) OST. They ended up crediting Horner on the CD when it came out and changed the music for the movie edition. I'm sure Holst would have a good case against Gainax if Mars were copyrighted. I've never been a big fan of Gainax soundtracks except for the wonderful Honneamise soundtrack. Is the eyecatch the same as the original LD/VHS release? Was the original in Japanese, played twice or have a background? Something seems a bit different but it could be memory playing tricks on me.I was a bit disappointed in the rather thin book that was included. It really doesn't contain much more than the free booklets that Funimation includes with some of their releases. The box is also not as impressive as the Honneamise Patlabor boxes. With the relatively high price tag I was hoping for something more along the line of the previous Honneamise releases. I must admit that the DVDs themselves are really well encoded and even faired very well with my zoomed image test. Does LPCM take more bandwidth than DTS? I find the fact that the series is on 3 DVDs with only one stereo audio track and a running time of an hour each rather curious. Then again Bandai did release the less than one hour Yukikaze 3 on 2 DVDs.

What is this Gunbuster Trailer Manga Card that you can send away for? Is it just a postcard type item? Since it doesn't require postage and is free I can only assume it is nothing more than a leaflet type ad similar to the ones that Geneon bombards me with.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:00 pm Reply with quote
Randall Miyashiro wrote:
I just watched my copy of Gunbuster a few hours ago. The change in the music didn't bother me, and I might not have even have noticed since it's been many years since I last saw the series. There is a song in Gundam 0083 during the navel review that rips from James Horner's Glory (seriously compare them, they are the same song on a different key) OST. They ended up crediting Horner on the CD when it came out and changed the music for the movie edition.


I remember that (being a big fan of the Glory soundtack and all). That probably is the most blatent. Other Examples include FMP!'s use of a piece very reminescent of The A-Team.

It's already known that I can't really stand the change. I've already purchased the R0.

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Is the eyecatch the same as the original LD/VHS release? Was the original in Japanese, played twice or have a background? Something seems a bit different but it could be memory playing tricks on me.


Yep, you're remembering incorrectly. It's the exact same.

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I was a bit disappointed in the rather thin book that was included. It really doesn't contain much more than the free booklets that Funimation includes with some of their releases. The box is also not as impressive as the Honneamise Patlabor boxes. With the relatively high price tag I was hoping for something more along the line of the previous Honneamise releases. I must admit that the DVDs themselves are really well encoded and even faired very well with my zoomed image test.


Well, it does quote plenty of rare sources. It's not as thick as the R0/2, but I still liked it. It's my main reason to buy the DVD still. I though the box wasn't half bad. I liked the Exelion in the gate fold. The use of the Kaiyodo toy does confuse me though. Bandai has just put out a Soul of Chokogan. It's inmeasurably better detailed. It seems odd to use an inferior toy from a rival company instead. I do wish they'd stuck to the older Mikimoto art. All the main art is his new stuff, which just looks odd when it comes to his old characters. The R0/2 only had the one new piece.

Assuming it's just like the R0, all the episodes are playing back at 9.8 mbps. Since it's only about an hour a disc, maxing the bitrate is rather simple. Heck, the discs aren't even full.

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Does LPCM take more bandwidth than DTS? I find the fact that the series is on 3 DVDs with only one stereo audio track and a running time of an hour each rather curious. Then again Bandai did release the less than one hour Yukikaze 3 on 2 DVDs.


You better believe it does. That's uncompressed CD audio. Out side of next gen audio formats (SACD/DVD-A), it doesn't get any better on a digital format. It's pretty much a direct port of the R2. An hour a disc means that they're practically a single layer each, yet still superbitted. I wish more companies would prioritize suck high bitrates.

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What is this Gunbuster Trailer Manga Card that you can send away for? Is it just a postcard type item? Since it doesn't require postage and is free I can only assume it is nothing more than a leaflet type ad similar to the ones that Geneon bombards me with.


It's supposed to feature rare artwork by Mikimoto. It's just an incentive to get you to fill in the survey. I'm sure it's rather awesome. Don't be too paranoid.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:27 pm Reply with quote
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As am I somewhat. Especially since I was the one to announce it.


You were the guy at the screening of the first episode? Whoa.

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We should be grateful that's it's finally available, but with a frivolous change that's not meant to be announced, and when it does, we're told that if we don't like it, we can buy a much more expensive version that lacks subtitles ad is available in all of four or five stores in the entire country? We should be grateful that a near perfect set of a near perfect anime is side tracked for seemingly no reason? I'm not grateful for that.


I'm certainly not saying that. The fact that up until now only VHS tapes of Gunbuster available, and since Manga Ent. was unlikely to purchase the Renewal version, we'd possibly never get it otherwise. Bandai Visual USA, even with the ridiculous music change, has made it available to the masses on DVD. They gave it very great treatment all around save for the music change and audio issue for the first half of the first episode, and even the former got a replacement from the soundtrack.

Sure, fans can complain all they want. It's the most popular thing to do on the Internet next to porn. But some of 'em are really placing too much importance on the scene itself, and are keeping themselves from owning one of their favorite anime because their principle takes importance over enjoyment. (For those that let BV USA politely know their and seek out the OVA by some other means, I got no complaints for them.)

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It's the age where nearly every two bit series gets its own purdy box. Wink


Razz

Randall Miyashiro wrote:
I've never been a big fan of Gainax soundtracks except for the wonderful Honneamise soundtrack.


I wonder if that might be brought over somehow once we see The Wings of Honneamise released over here? It's not much of an issue with me since I got an order from CDJapan with it, but having it available domestically would be nice as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:56 pm Reply with quote
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You were the guy at the screening of the first episode? Whoa.


Yep. I was the one that caught it at the screening and asked about it. Naturally, I'm also the guy that reported it to ANN.
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