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Is there any other director who you can identify with in only a few seconds of footage?
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Well, it makes sense for the film adaptation of another Nisioisin novel to have a similar visual style.

I'm glad Vertical is bringing out the novels again --- I still have the original Del Rey books, but it might be interesting to see how another translator treats them.

Though, what I really would like is for the illustrator, Take, to publish more collections of his or her work.
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MarshalBanana wrote:
Is there any other director who you can identify with in only a few seconds of footage?

Watch the first 30 seconds of Shin Godzilla (or even just the trailer).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:08 pm Reply with quote
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Is there any other director who you can identify with in only a few seconds of footage?


You mean Yuki Yase? I hope you know this isn't Shinbo.
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MarshalBanana wrote:
Is there any other director who you can identify with in only a few seconds of footage?


You mean Yuki Yase? I hope you know this isn't Shinbo.
No I mean Shinbo, he's the Director and series composition. Yase is just a sub director.
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MarshalBanana wrote:
relyat08 wrote:
MarshalBanana wrote:
Is there any other director who you can identify with in only a few seconds of footage?


You mean Yuki Yase? I hope you know this isn't Shinbo.
No I mean Shinbo, he's the Director and series composition. Yase is just a sub director.


No, Shinbo being the chief director here is the same as him being chief director on everything SHAFT has made in the last decade, more or less. The guy has almost no direct input on what the series looks like. He is in more of a mentor position. And only really will make a creative decision if he thinks something is totally off. Some series he takes a more active role in than others, but most of the time he is juggling multiple projects simultaneously and simply does not have the time to do much more than sign off on significant decisions. He runs most SHAFT projects similarly to how Watanabe handled Space Dandy. He is there if needed, but lets his series directors and episode directors handle everything unless they specifically ask for his input. What you are seeing in almost every SHAFT show is the creative mind of either Yuki Yase, Tatsuya Oishi, Yukihira Miyamoto, Tomoyuki Itamura, or Naoyuki Tatsuwa.
Shinbo's style is not something that we have seen in a very long time. Not since the first season of Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, if I remember right. You're confusing his style with the style of the studio. Not the same thing at all.
Here's a nice article about how the studio currently works.
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relyat08 wrote:
MarshalBanana wrote:
relyat08 wrote:
MarshalBanana wrote:
Is there any other director who you can identify with in only a few seconds of footage?


You mean Yuki Yase? I hope you know this isn't Shinbo.
No I mean Shinbo, he's the Director and series composition. Yase is just a sub director.


No, Shinbo being the chief director here is the same as him being chief director on everything SHAFT has made in the last decade, more or less. The guy has almost no direct input on what the series looks like. He is in more of a mentor position. And only really will make a creative decision if he thinks something is totally off. Some series he takes a more active role in than others, but most of the time he is juggling multiple projects simultaneously and simply does not have the time to do much more than sign off on significant decisions. He runs most SHAFT projects similarly to how Watanabe handled Space Dandy. He is there if needed, but lets his series directors and episode directors handle everything unless they specifically ask for his input. What you are seeing in almost every SHAFT show is the creative mind of either Yuki Yase, Tatsuya Oishi, Yukihira Miyamoto, Tomoyuki Itamura, or Naoyuki Tatsuwa.
Shinbo's style is not something that we have seen in a very long time. Not since the first season of Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, if I remember right. You're confusing his style with the style of the studio. Not the same thing at all.
Here's a nice article about how the studio currently works.


Thanks for the article, I'd always been a bit unsure about the hierarchy of Shaft and how much involvement different directors had.

In terms of Yuki Yase...honestly he's yet to direct a series which I've enjoyed really. His style in both MCA and Zaregoto seems so messy and confused? Like the flair of Shaft feels overused and misappropriated. I really wasn't a massive fan of the first OVA but hopefully it will improve as it goes on, though I also don't know that the story felt as tight at the start of some of Nisio's other works.

Well. we'll see.
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^I personally think he is their weakest current guy, and I was a little disappointed that he's the one handling this series. I think that's also why it so far seems like it's trying pretty hard to look a lot like Monogatari. I hope I'm wrong and he comes into his own, but so far, I definitely agree with you. His style seems like a haphazard mix of various SHAFT styles that doesn't really work or have much meaning other than just looking abstract and unconventional. But once again, I'm sure he's still just growing as a creator. Smile
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relyat08 wrote:
No, Shinbo being the chief director here is the same as him being chief director on everything SHAFT has made in the last decade, more or less. The guy has almost no direct input on what the series looks like. He is in more of a mentor position. And only really will make a creative decision if he thinks something is totally off. Some series he takes a more active role in than others, but most of the time he is juggling multiple projects simultaneously and simply does not have the time to do much more than sign off on significant decisions. He runs most SHAFT projects similarly to how Watanabe handled Space Dandy. He is there if needed, but lets his series directors and episode directors handle everything unless they specifically ask for his input. What you are seeing in almost every SHAFT show is the creative mind of either Yuki Yase, Tatsuya Oishi, Yukihira Miyamoto, Tomoyuki Itamura, or Naoyuki Tatsuwa.
Shinbo's style is not something that we have seen in a very long time. Not since the first season of Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, if I remember right. You're confusing his style with the style of the studio. Not the same thing at all.
Here's a nice article about how the studio currently works.
Interesting read, though I will take it with a grain of salt(as I do with all blogs, as anyone can write one). This is still Shinbos style though, even if someone else is using it, it's the style he developed before he even worked at SHAFT. I wouldn't say he is anything like Watanabe (I may up repeating what you said here), his projects are about delegating episodes to writers and directors and letting them do what they want, within some level of reason I assume. Which include radical changes to down to even the art style. I see no unique touch from that guy you mentioned. There's also the fact that he still did series composition.

Going back to my original comment, I still think it stands, you look at this, and instantly think Shinbo.[/img]
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:44 pm Reply with quote
MarshalBanana wrote:
Interesting read, though I will take it with a grain of salt(as I do with all blogs, as anyone can write one). This is still Shinbos style though, even if someone else is using it, it's the style he developed before he even worked at SHAFT. I wouldn't say he is anything like Watanabe (I may up repeating what you said here), his projects are about delegating episodes to writers and directors and letting them do what they want, within some level of reason I assume. Which include radical changes to down to even the art style. I see no unique touch from that guy you mentioned. There's also the fact that he still did series composition.

Going back to my original comment, I still think it stands, you look at this, and instantly think Shinbo.[/img]


Take it with however much salt you want, but the fact of the matter is that Shinbo is probably not even in the same room during most SHAFT productions. This has been confirmed in interviews, by other creators, on twitter, etc. I just used this blog post as it is a fairly easy and straightforward read, but I can provide more proof, if you want..
Simply put, the nebulous SHAFT style is not the Shinbo style. His style has evolved like any other creator, but what Yuki Yase is doing is not the same as Tatsuya Oishi, which is not the same as Naoyuki Tatsuwa, etc etc. They aren't trying to replicate the Shinbo style, they are all creating their own style. If you can't tell the difference, that doesn't mean there isn't one. I see very distinct differences between all of the creators that I've mentioned, granted I pay very close attention to the visual aspect of anime, but this is not Shinbo in the least. If you've seen The Monogatari series, I'm amazed that you didn't notice the distinct differences between seasons. The way lighting was used, contrast, brightness, etc. The framing, the length that shots are held. The use of rough or contrasting imagery and backgrounds, i.e live action, photo-realistic CG, etc. Each one of these guys has different preferences and styles. And none of them look like Shinbo.
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