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Velshtein



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:04 am Reply with quote
Paiprince wrote:
The more whitebread a state is, the less likely an otaku district would establish base, in regards to the US. I doubt a residency primarily consisting of blue collar types, rednecks and Christian fundies would take kindly to a place they'd aptly call, "Chinese Pokemon Porn store" among other colorful labels they like to place for anything not 1950's Americana culture.

Contrary to your prejudiced and inflammatory remarks, there are actually plenty of anime fans in regions like the South and the bible belt who would no doubt love a local anime shop.
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I've been living in LA for several years now, and have visited just about every store in Little Tokyo, and make frequent trips to the Anime Jungle store in the shopping mall. Also, I'm a flight attendant for a major airline, so I also make frequent trips to Tokyo and Osaka on my off days (usually every other month) to indulge in my anime enthusiasm. Having experienced both the LA culture of anime and having spent many days in Akihabara, Tokyo, I can say without a shred of doubt that the true Otaku Promised Land lies in Japan. As of now, LA cannot even begin to compete with the Otaku culture of Akiba. Anime Jungle in LA is a fantastic collection of otaku stores and they always have great merchandise for sale, probably better than you can find anywhere else in the USA. However 2 stores does not begin to compare with the 6 blocks of endless stores competing with one another for prices and customers. Not to mention the niche stores dedicated strictly to a single anime. The Gundam Cafe, The Love Live store, etc. to name a few.
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:22 am Reply with quote
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Well the first reason wasn't exclusive to Southern California. The housing bubble that caused the financial crisis in 2008 affected the whole country, though some areas, such as Southern California, Florida, and Las Vegas, were especially bubbly. As for the second, increasing housing prices don't make people want to move out of the area, as the cost is set at the time of the sale (interest can change of course). And plenty of people are moving to Texas, Atlanta, and other Sunbelt regions as well on account of the lower housing costs, and they don't have the same problem with skyrocketing housing prices.

Certainly, what you mentioned is causing/did cause price increases in Southern California. But zoning regulations are an important cause too.


True. They could build way more houses...then again, southern California's suburban sprawl is already really, really bad.

DaisakuKusama wrote:

Yes! Here's a link with coverage on both:
http://nukethefridge.com/2016/01/04/exclusive-next-weeks-supergirl-was-filmed-inside-frank-son/
I've always found parking there to be abysmal, but if you get there before or right when it opens, you shouldn't have any problems. Also, it's not as crowded on Wednesdays as it is on Saturdays.


On Saturdays, I often don't feel like getting up early enough to get there before it starts, but I'll take your word for it.

DaisakuKusama wrote:
That blog is hilarious! Sherman Oaks is the worst, for some reason. That being said, I'm finding more often that if I just drive like a grandpa and let the idiots and wannabe Fast and Furious drivers pass me by, driving here is a lot easier. I just sit back and watch the show, which does border on insane at times. But I try not to let it get to me.
I blame reality t.v. for the traffic and the outrageous housing prices. Years ago, you had to have some modicum of talent to move out here: writing, acting, directing, surfing, etc. Reality t.v. has leveled the playing field, and now we're importing a lot of lunatics who drive like "Outta my way, stupid Californians!" and pay outrageous amounts for apartments or condos because they think "I'm gonna be rich and famous in six months - I can afford anything!" Then they don't get rich and famous, they become more crazy, and I'm too busy relaxing at the beach to bother with them. Smile


Yeah, I soon learned that to deal with those maniac drivers, the best thing to do is just to let them have their way. If you let them have their fun or pride or whatever, they'll leave you alone. It's the safest way to deal with them. Same goes for any sort of lane change: I'll slow down and let them pass in front because more often than not, the driver in the other lane will speed up if you try to get in front of them, but if you slow down, they'll gladly let you take the space behind them.

Aphasial wrote:
San Diegans drive fast and expect people on the freeways to know where and when they're going to, but we're much less rude than LA folks. If you're only here during SDCC then that might be part of it (also be on the lookout for AZ plates during the summer -- they're crazy), but native San Diegans are considerate -- we just expect efficiency. That's also why the average speed is around 80, which is among the highest average in major CA urban areas.


Sounds a lot like the southern areas of the San Francisco Bay Area: They expect you to keep pace with them. Considering that one of my rulesof thumb is to drive at around the same speeds as the other motorists around me, it must have been the Comic-Con crowd.
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omiya



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:27 am Reply with quote
#855981 wrote:
As of now, LA cannot even begin to compete with the Otaku culture of Akiba.


I've mainly shopped in Akihabara and Nakano Broadway for used items, and used the odd Tower Records / Melon Books / Toranoana / HMV for other items (and haven't yet visited stores in Ikebukero, Tokyo or in the Osaka area).

A pleasant surprise in November 2014 before the Animax Musix 2014 Yokohama concert was a Korean restaurant opening across the road from Yokohama Arena, inviting me in and putting on a GranRodeo DVD while I had my lunch there.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:14 am Reply with quote
Aphasial wrote:
That's also why the average speed is around 80, which is among the highest average in major CA urban areas.

That's just crazy!
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Gilles Poitras



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:31 am Reply with quote
reanimator wrote:


Nikaku Animart is still in business in San Jose thanks to their side business. They sell pretty decent stock of new anime art books, but they still carry quite amount of older anime merchandises which is an ideal place for older fans who still want to buy Saint Seiya or Ranma 1/2.


They have far more than that, including a massive selection of posters. Looking for Lupin III, Kimagure Orange Road, Urusei Yatsura, Patlabor, etc? They are the place to visit.
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Gilles Poitras



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:40 am Reply with quote
There is another factor that did not get mentioned. Over the air subtitled Japanese TV in LA and the SF Bay Area.

I don't know about the LA area but in the Bay Area you can only get the full programming, 2 hours a week is on cable, via broadcast.

The stations are:
KXLA
http://www.kxlatv.com

Tokyo TV
http://www.ttvusa.com/english.php
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zrnzle500



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:33 am Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:
zrnzle500 wrote:
Well the first reason wasn't exclusive to Southern California. The housing bubble that caused the financial crisis in 2008 affected the whole country, though some areas, such as Southern California, Florida, and Las Vegas, were especially bubbly. As for the second, increasing housing prices don't make people want to move out of the area, as the cost is set at the time of the sale (interest can change of course). And plenty of people are moving to Texas, Atlanta, and other Sunbelt regions as well on account of the lower housing costs, and they don't have the same problem with skyrocketing housing prices.

Certainly, what you mentioned is causing/did cause price increases in Southern California. But zoning regulations are an important cause too.


True. They could build way more houses...then again, southern California's suburban sprawl is already really, really bad.


You do probably want to limit sprawl, especially if you want to have a useful public transportation system. But there are ways to increase the housing stock without increasing sprawl. It all depends on how committed one is to detached single family units.
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nobahn wrote:
Aphasial wrote:
That's also why the average speed is around 80, which is among the highest average in major CA urban areas.

That's just crazy!
That's about what I see around here, but the speed limit is 70. There are also plenty of people who'll go as slow as 60 in clear traffic but still get in the left hand lane and really gum up the works("slow traffic keep right" is apparently a foreign concept for some people).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:39 pm Reply with quote
Paiprince wrote:
The more whitebread a state is, the less likely an otaku district would establish base, in regards to the US. I doubt a residency primarily consisting of blue collar types, rednecks and Christian fundies would take kindly to a place they'd aptly call, "Chinese Pokemon Porn store" among other colorful labels they like to place for anything not 1950's Americana culture.

I'll give you fundamentalists, of any religious stripe, because they are rigid (and often nuts) by definition but, as someone who lives in the heart of redneck country where most opportunities, but not all, come from blue collar industries (which, BTW, are not 100% populated with high school dropouts; There are universities dedicated to trades), I feel that I must defend my countrymen.

There's a difference between not having a large enough concentration of fans to support a dedicated district of popular shops and between people not being easily able to find merchandise or stores that carry merchandise outright not being welcomed by the local populace.

The biggest city I live close to is Edmonton (Alberta, Canada). You can find anime, and manga, pretty much anywhere in the city; Kitschy shops, found everywhere, carry merchandise. People don't buy things and stuff them into "appropriate" bags or discuss things in hushed whispers: People read manga on the train; A shop, which carries piercings of all kinds, off-beat clothing, and, of course, anime merch, and is more sophisticated than a Spencer's, is located in a mall next to a Payless and near an entrance to The Bay (Oh, and we've also got a Spencer's at that same mall).

I would, also, point out that every summer the city is busy each week putting on one festival or another from street performers to a cultural fest to a local artists' walk; Summer's pretty darn fun, 'round here: It would be weird to meet someone put off by that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:11 pm Reply with quote
^Considering that they say in regards to the US, I don't think they are attacking your countrymen in Canada. And Edmonton has a higher percentage of minorities than Canada as a whole, so relatively speaking it is not all that whitebread either. Alberta as a whole has about the same percent minorities as Canada as a whole and only two provinces have a higher percentage (Ontario and British Colombia). So even looking at the province level, where you live isn't that whitebread (relative to Canada). Aside from your community being blue collar, they aren't talking about your countrymen at all.
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As much I would love to visit California, I myself am not much of a travel guy, so... Sad

As for the whole Bible Belt thing, look I happen to live in one of these Bible Belt states but that doesn't mean we automatically despise anime. Hell, there are at least 3 anime conventions from where I live and there are plenty of anime fans that I know and even went to school with. I used to be part of an afterschool manga club, too. Good times.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:14 pm Reply with quote
For anyone in the Northeast who might feel left out, take a look at Boston for an alternative. Its got alot of Japanese stores, restaurants and even two stores dedicated to selling otaku goods!! I have purchased probably $500+ worth of figures and plushies from Anime Zakka in Boston over the years lol!

In fact, I had my very first Taiyaki in Boston a few years ago!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:45 am Reply with quote
zrnzle500 wrote:
^Considering that they say in regards to the US, I don't think they are attacking your countrymen in Canada. And Edmonton has a higher percentage of minorities than Canada as a whole, so relatively speaking it is not all that whitebread either. Alberta as a whole has about the same percent minorities as Canada as a whole and only two provinces have a higher percentage (Ontario and British Colombia). So even looking at the province level, where you live isn't that whitebread (relative to Canada). Aside from your community being blue collar, they aren't talking about your countrymen at all.

The commenter was listing some broad stereotypes, stereotypes which we ARE painted with time and again: When the NDP was voted in, several newspaper writers, particularly the ones down east, felt that Alberta had stopped dragging its knuckles and was finally getting indoor plumbing; People seem to love utterly ignoring that we are a bastion for immigrants, have world-class universities and hospitals, and have an artistic community that not only extends beyond Hollywood movie screenings and Beyoncé selling out arenas (though we don't turn hipster noses up at those) but that is openly welcome and supported. And this isn't achieved by shunning our cowboy & farming roots.

Yes, major cities, here, have a wide spread of colours and faiths but many ( I don't have enough experience to say 'the majority of') small towns are still mostly white and Christian; This doesn't mean that no one else lives there or is unhappy there but that, technically, we are still a pretty white area. And nobody's monocle pops at the idea of something as simple as being interested in music or animation or comics from other parts of the world.

I wasn't offended by the person's comments but I felt it was necessary to point out that they had pulled out a stereotype older and staler than a cracker left on the sidewalk, and which is about as appealing: I'm sure there are several American states full of citizens tired of being painted with the same brush as a few nut bars.
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CandisWhite wrote:
The commenter was listing some broad stereotypes, stereotypes which we ARE painted with time and again: When the NDP was voted in, several newspaper writers, particularly the ones down east, felt that Alberta had stopped dragging its knuckles and was finally getting indoor plumbing; People seem to love utterly ignoring that we are a bastion for immigrants, have world-class universities and hospitals, and have an artistic community that not only extends beyond Hollywood movie screenings and Beyoncé selling out arenas (though we don't turn hipster noses up at those) but that is openly welcome and supported. And this isn't achieved by shunning our cowboy & farming roots.

Yes, major cities, here, have a wide spread of colours and faiths but many ( I don't have enough experience to say 'the majority of') small towns are still mostly white and Christian; This doesn't mean that no one else lives there or is unhappy there but that, technically, we are still a pretty white area. And nobody's monocle pops at the idea of something as simple as being interested in music or animation or comics from other parts of the world.

I wasn't offended by the person's comments but I felt it was necessary to point out that they had pulled out a stereotype older and staler than a cracker left on the sidewalk, and which is about as appealing: I'm sure there are several American states full of citizens tired of being painted with the same brush as a few nut bars.


Admittedly while Alberta is far from the whitest part of Canada, in absolute terms, yeah, it's still mostly white. By no means was I defending the comments made or the ideas behind them. My original intent was merely to point out the qualification that it pertained to the US only, but then I found your use of a city as evidence of a whitebread area having plenty of anime amenities and little if any judgment of those in our niche wanting, as I judged that Edmonton was probably relatively diverse as cities are wont, which led me to examine how whitebread Edmonton and Alberta are. Also, I'm not sure the people he was referring to have any monocles to pop (I know what you meant).
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