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kotomikun
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I dunno, man. Admittedly, I have not seen this anime, but I have seen this exact argument used to defend many seemingly-objectionable shows. For example, there's the common insistence that Kill La Kill is actually feminist, because a female protagonist being coerced into fighting wearing sentient clothing (with a masculine voice) that drinks her blood and powers her up by becoming extremely fanservicey is... empowering, or whatever. Not trying to hate on the show or its fans here, but come on. I'm sure that some aspects of Reviewers could be construed as progressive; hardly anything is really 100% offensive and terrible. Kill La Kill has a female protagonist in a fighting series, that counts for something. But there's no getting away from the fact that the core concept is, as you said, guys rating the service of prostitutes. There are more cans of worms in those six words than I'd care to count. It's fine to watch shows like that if you want to, but acting like it's a forward-thinking positive influence on the world only undermines things that genuinely deserve credit for pushing the envelope. Sometimes (usually) a lewd anime is just a lewd anime. The other red flag for me is that its de-platforming (but not cancellation) has sparked a massive controversy, seemingly far larger than the show's actual fanbase before Funimation dropped it. (Not talking about you specifically, more the "angry Youtuber" demographic.) And it looks an awful lot like that thing that happens whenever the more devoted fans of Western gender-role standards feel they are under attack... I mean, they always feel like that, but their preferred anecdotal evidence changes every week or two. Sexy anime get censored for broadcast all the time; pulling a show off the air entirely is rare, but I can't think of a plausible reason why people would be so upset over this besides, y'know, conservatism. Which is an opinion they are allowed to have, much as I disagree with it. But this definitely defies the claim that this show doesn't promote old-fashioned values about gender relations. |
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harminia
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No one beyond those involved in the deal know what the contract stated. So we don't know if they did anything bad that would cause them to lose the license or if they still keep it. Considering AnimeLab is owned by Aniplex (as is Funi), and AL is still streaming it, I'd say they still have a contract. |
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BadNewsBlues
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The show is in effect a hentai I'd almost guarantee it would've had problems staying on TV in Japan even without the Funimation issue.
.....Sony is still a company that originated in Japan even if they moved their headquarters to the U.S. so this is even more of a reach than the above post especially when there isn't anything tying Funimation's actions to Sony's policy regarding games that contain certain content on their PlayStation platform. |
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Animegunclub
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Of course not, but license conjecture is always fun. I know manga publishing contracts are pretty stringent on terms and bundle for different distribution, so if you bow out or don't meet an agreed upon clause in the contract, the whole thing can get yanked and you have to renegotiate. Probably different with anime, but also possibly not. |
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AkumaChef
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I can't comment on Kill La Kill because I don't know the first thing about it. I'm certainly not claiming that Reviewers is 100% progressive, I'm simply saying that making specific accusations about a show you haven't even seen makes little sense. That's categorically wrong no matter what show it is. As for Reviewers specifically? I think it's a sex comedy. It's no porno, but it's certainly for adults. I expected a bawdy sex comedy...and that's what I got, with a surprising level of progressivism thrown in. It's not some 100% progressive masterpiece, but neither is it the big bad devil that many make it out to be, especially those who haven't seen it. |
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Animegunclub
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If I'm prejudice towards a piece of media, there is no moral detriment to my character. I'm simply adhering to what precedence I've experienced with similar works upon one work. Prior experience with similar works can let me know if something is right or wrong for me. If I'm prejudice towards a group of people, there's a severe detriment to my character. Because, I'm applying an overarching judgement towards a whole group of people based on an experience or belief grown from one person. Also, I can't believe it needs to be stated but People are human beings. Media is just entertainment. Not even remotely the same error. |
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AkumaChef
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We can agree to disagree, and just to be 100% clear I mean no disrespect. |
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#898031
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Most people don’t really chose to work in sex work. It’s usually because they have no other option. To say it’s consensual is also wrong. It’s not like they want to have sex. They need to in order to survive. This is talking about real life. |
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BodaciousSpacePirate
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Not to get too side-tracked, but there's a really interesting installment of "My Fave is Problematic" that functions as a sort of retrospective on all the arguments for and against Kill la Kill being "feminist": https://www.animefeminist.com/my-fave-is-problematic-kill-la-kill/ It makes a few points about blanket labels that I feel are somewhat pertinent to the Western anime community's current back-and-forth discussions about whether this show is "sex-positive" or not. |
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Shar Aznabull
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Whoever ends up picking this show up for physical release is going to have an easy time marketing it. "Too hot for Japanese TV!"
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FLCLGainax
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If it weren't for all the controversy, I'd have no interest in this show. But now I want to check it out just to see if I get offended.
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Charou
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+1. It's the ONLY hentai I've even vaguely liked since Urotsukidouji, which much like IR is sort of one type of show/anime trapped inside another. And, like IR, Uro drips with quality. The fiancee and I *love* IR and consider ourselves blessed we live in Australia, where we can watch the censored version every Sunday on Animelab and use our imaginations until we grab it another way later. Heck, she even went so far as to follow the translator for IR on twitter because that person does an absolutely incredible job localising it. Probably the best I've seen since O Maidens In Your Savage Season, which I believe was the same localiser.
Except Netflix subs are *awful*. They rarely even translate the episode titles (see Saiki K). The only anime subs I've seen on there that are any good were for Fate/Apocrypha and I suspect that's because Aniplex had more than a slight hand in it, given the international bluray release used the exact same subs. How many 'Netflix original' anime get a bluray release? The subs are so much further down their list of priorities than with traditional anime streamers. And IR uses a lot of wordplay. A lot of context. Rote translation of IR would seriously reduce the entertainment value. So no, this show would be *murdered* on Netlfix. |
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harminia
Posts: 2003 Location: australia |
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Yeah, same translator! |
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Charou
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I know, I just didn't want to be...too forceful about it. Still, we watched an uncensored episode with someone else's subs and it just wasn't the same. We also recently learned through her tweets that a certain streaming service pays its translators peanuts compared to others, so I think it's important to remember just how much impact good localisation can have. As I noted above, Netflix's inferior subs made the otherwise brilliant Saiki K unpalatable. That's a feat. |
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Key
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While I agree with your statement here in principal, the italicized part is where your logic is faulty in this particular case. I've seen (and reviewed!) a lot of ecchi anime shows over the years, including most of the titles that would rank among the raciest non-hentai titles that have ever been made, so I can say with confidence that there isn't anything out there in anime that's very similar to IR. It's a genre-bending show, so making assumptions about it based on what people think might be similar titles will lead people astray. But that's why we have reviewers, isn't it? So that people can look at what people who have actually watched the series are saying about it and can determine if their tastes line up with the reviewers. Having watched all of it do date, I think anyone who likes non-anime sex comedies and isn't totally put off by the prostitution angle will probably love this one, even those that might normally be averse to the most typical anime-style fan service. |
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