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ikillchicken
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I don't want to alarm you guys but I think Mike Toole may have been replaced by Soundwave from Transformers.
I agree with Justin. Public execution's are the answer...as they always are. Yeah, where the hell has Watanabe gone? It's seriously pathetic if he's out there looking for work and not getting any offers. That's just fucked up. |
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tuxedocat
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I think that piracy (in all its forms) will exist as long as the Internet remains "free". It all comes from the idea of net neutrality, a completely free internet, where all information in whatever from can be "freely" dispersed anywhere, anytime.
The latest insider buzz is as the internet grows, this artificial, inflated concept of freedom is creating a bubble which will ultimately burst. Bandwidth usage is outgrowing capacity, and capitalism exists. period. (even in the few remaining socialist countries). When Net-Neutrality falls, so will much of the piracy. Suddenly, it will cost too much to download the files, since your friendly ISP will be monitoring usage and charging accordingly. They will call it a "tiered billing system". Your invoice will become very complicated, and will probably contain a list of the sites you visited and probably the size of the files you downloaded from them, ...along with your mandatory "rights-to-privacy" statement. My guess is the DVD box set price will not seem so high anymore in comparison to what you will be spending in bandwidth fees by downloading the "free" stuff. So everybody enjoy the "Free" bubble while you can. It is going away soon. You will know when it is gone when you get the bill (or your parents show you the bill and start yelling at you). |
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Charred Knight
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Generally speaking if you have seen the sales of DS games outside of Mario Brothers and Pokemon the sales have not been their. It's a very serious subject. http://www.joystiq.com/tag/piracy/ http://www.mcvuk.com/news/38598/Piracy-accounts-for-dropping-DS-sales Here's the thing though, how can you support people who decide that they need to sample 200 episodes of Naruto, 400 episodes of One Piece. Yeah, their are people who watch anime to make informed purchases, not everyone has their personal Mike Toole. The problem is that the anime companies are eleviating that problem by offering streaming.
You nailed it, when I think of substance I think of plot, world building, and character development. That's why I prefer the much more in depth look at Lordgenome then Eva's backstory which I think is kind of Soap Operaish and Second Impact is just ludicrous. |
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Snowman 183
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Pretty much. That really was a great podcast, with a couple of excellent guests. It's impressive that they managed to shed new light on some rather well-worn topics. |
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PBsallad
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One of the things I was hoping that they would discuss, but they didn't and I should have tweeted the question in, was the fans that watch or read a show illegally then later buy a legitimate copy later.
I would have loved to your guys' opinions on this morally gray issue. But other then that, great podcast. As always. |
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GATSU
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Zac: "It's not that hot here."
Only if you're not comparing yourself to what Japan's gone through over the last few daYs. "The money goes to all the corporate fat-cats." It's even worse in the music industry. Oh, and I just love how the Hollywood movie studios were asking consumers not to pirate movies out of respect for the artists, and then tried to screw the writers out of residuals for legal downloads. Justin: "He's French." Well, the closest we've had to one was The Fifth Element, which is actually appropriate, given that Besson posed with Terasawa at a film fest thing in Japan. "Hard sci-fi is tough to produce." Well, we'll probably know about the genre's prospects based on how well the Tron reboot-quel does. "quit her job @ Tokyo Disneyland." Wow, she must really love the genre, 'cus I hear any non-sweatshop Disney work pays better than average. "Fist fell on its face for Manga Video." Well, the problem with the show is it's less violent than the movie, which came first, and pretty tame by current anime content standards. So yeah, of course it was going to bomb. But CR's managed to give it a new life here by promoting it as something casual fans can watch, too. Mike: "If Sea Prince came out on DVD 9 or 10 years ago, I think it'd be a minor success story." I doubt it. The market for the old-school stuff wasn't really there back then. After all, look how fast Neo Tokyo came and went. Meanwhile, Bandai's only managed to get out the Silent Mobius films on R1 recently. So while I don't think the old school stuff will "boost" the DVD market, it'll save it from the cookie-cutter crap killing the market. "break even or slightly better" Well, the beauty of the whole thing is, since it's already subbed, DT doesn't have to lose money translating it. And since those first 36 eps are dubbed, it makes it easier for fans who don't watch subbed anime to get into it. So the first box should at least be somewhat profitable, if not hugely so. Charred: I do blame Eva for the worst aspects of anime story-telling today, but I consider everything else which predates it is fine. rhetorical: Well, Metallica came off hypocritical, because they started out as a garage band themselves, and they were allegedly giving away recordings to promote themselves. And frankly, the music industry was ripping consumers off by then, if not sooner. You only had one song off a $20+ CD which you wanted to hear. Or current rip-offs like this. penguin: Actually, the problem with Eva is it does pull punches. For example, Shinji never does anything really rebellious until it's convenient. And Misato never calls Gendo out on his parenting skills(or lack thereof). As for my $0.02 on fan-subbing, I used to think it was ok, as long as it helped boost interest for certain titles. But when they started going after shit which was likely to be licensed anyway, I kind of cut my ties with that sub-culture. I also had an aversion to companies charging more for sub-only tapes, and I didn't like that I was playing roulette on whether or not I had a good translation. But DVD made that whole issue moot. And, when I think about it, it was getting tough keeping up with this stuff in general when I had other things to do. So I had to be pickier by default, anyway. I think Escaflowne and Eva were the only shows I ever marathoned, and I haven't had that kind of time since then. Plus, getting official sample discs for reviews and as giveaways admittedly made me feel guiltier about that era of my life. As for this generation of viewers, they do have a point that, in this economy, the last thing you can afford is to be "niche". But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be discrete about it, either. OTOH, they'll probably "get" it when they have to work for a living, too. Last edited by GATSU on Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:08 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Fellistowe
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This theme is also what jumped out at me most in this podcast. It reminded me of an article I read recently (similar themed older one here on the BBC, but I'm sure I've read more recent research on this, just can't put my hands on it at the moment). Basic gist of it: we don't really start using the 'socially conscious' part of our brain (near the front) until mid to late 20's. Instead we use the 'I'm a selfish little s**t' bit (located at the back). Stack a big mess of our western 'Me' culture on top of that, and you can get a good idea what you end up with. As rhetoricalnoise has noted, guess where the age range of most anime fans falls nowadays Educating the kiddies will always be an uphill struggle, and quite a thankless task with results only evident after many years. Guess we have to keep trying though if we want this lil old hobby of ours to stay alive... p.s. Thank you Mike, Daryl, Zac and Justin for yet another great podcast. Last edited by Fellistowe on Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:34 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Ranma824
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I'm with you on Eva, but please tell me you saw more then one episode of Gunbuster. TTGL owes almost everything it is to Gunbuster and Diebuster.
Not to say that piracy isn't a big deal; but I thought that Europe was always third (or worse) in sales compared to US and Japan. And hasn't Europe always been a hot-bed of piracy? |
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Charred Knight
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I totally forgot how many episodes of Gunbuster I saw on Manga's old SPutnik website, I remember feeling it was good but nothing about it made me want to buy it. Though that might have to do with the fact that the website also had Giant Robo for viewing, and that's my favorite anime of all times. Due to the drop in sales in Japan Europe is a fairly major player in video game sales. |
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varmintx
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The horror...the horror... |
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Fallen Wings
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Just to clarify ...
Locke the Superman manga was actually started in the late 60's. Though really they looked like a bunch of squiggles ... no where near his level of drawing today. But seriously? You liked Locke? Well then again when I was watching the movie I stop watching when they had an explosion scene and it just had an image of Locke and this video recording of fire over the image. It didn't even look real - it was meant to be showing this destruction around him and there was like this repeating of explosions and this flame that looked like someone taped a video of their fireplace. I couldn't help but laugh. I was staring at this image for ages and this fire and kinda went - "You know what ... I wasn't liking this in the first place ..." Though the predictable story line and lack of proper supporting characters also made me stop. Maybe give it another shot perhaps ... after all I didn't see it all the way to the end ...
It seems like my dreams keep getting mention in reality ... only if X3 |
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fuuma_monou
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You have to watch all the way to episode 6 (the B&W one). The ending is what makes it great. |
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Charred Knight
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I know it's only 6 episodes but I frankly don't plan to buy a series for the ending. When I buy an OVA I want something with the Quality of Gundam 0080, FLCL or Giant Robo, a short but exciting series that's great from the very first episode. |
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Anime World Order
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The topic of the fandom divide/"con culture" was touched upon as well in our latest podcast, where we discussed Otakon 2010 and gave a more or less spoiler-free review of the film Welcome to the Space Show. You can listen here if you want to hear my thoughts on the situation shortly after it had occurred.
I would certainly really question that too...if it was anything close to what I had said. What I said, presumably during our decade in review, was that Gundam 00 (which I'll agree wasn't spectacular overall) had BELOW average ratings for a Gundam series in that timeslot compared to its direct predecessors in said timeslot. Gunota doesn't update anymore, but here was their listing of the viewership ratings for every Gundam television series which backs up my claim. My speculation was that this was because Gundam SEED Destiny--which was not made four years before; if memory serves, its final compilation movie came out only a couple months before 00 started airing--was such a letdown that mecha otaku lost faith in that approach to Gundam in general. 00 may not have been Fukuda's work, but it was quite clearly patterned after the Wing/SEED template that sought to appeal to both mecha fanatics and fujoshi. I believe the mere existence of Gundam Unicorn, as well as its justified positive reception, is indicative of a growing (albeit not majority; there are still additional 00 anime planned) fan backlash against that Wing/SEED style in favor of the traditional UC model. Other people already elaborated on the nature of Gainax's change over the years.
IRC, like Usenet, is/has been/will continue to be quite difficult for the average person to use such that it is primarily the domain of the most hardcore only. IRC is what I had to use back in the early 90s just to find other anime fans because message board software like what we're posting on now didn't exist.
I can answer it here: I'm all for that happening, but it doesn't happen nearly as often as people claim it does partially as a result of the aforementioned quality issue. That behavior is anomalous, not the norm. |
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rabrek
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On the contrary, for every person I know of who uses IRC, there are 20+ who can't be bothered to learn a specialty environment (for much the same reason that Windows, despite all of the complaining it generates, has a huge market share compared to Linux, which is free). IRC's reputation for banning clumsy newbies certainly hasn't helped attract new users, either. The podcast discussion seemed to suggest that viewing anime happens primarily via torrent downloads or streaming. In the forums I travel, the pattern is for one or two users to download a torrent of a new release, then upload it to a file-sharing host (often MegaUpload). Other users then download from MUL and reup to other hosts and post those links for forum members who have access issues in their country or a preference based on how their local system behaves. Some users reencode to other video formats or downconvert HD releases to accommodate forum members with bandwidth issues. A very few individuals play DMCA roulette, and a lot of people point, click, and view. There's little need to mess around with torrents these days, let alone IRC. To use Zac's college gaming experience as an analogy, one person downloads the torrent ("buys the game"), then distributes a download link to their friends ("burns CDs for all their friends"). I'd also note that, just as some people get cranky because someone has "stolen" the AMV or scanlation or fansub that they "worked so hard on", some uploaders go ballistic if their links are posted elsewhere without crediting them. |
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