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rizuchan



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:11 pm Reply with quote
I mean, fujoshi's love for the male seiyuu isn't really that different from the female idol seiyuu other than there seem to be a lot more veteran and older male seiyuu. (Most seem to be in their 30s and 40s, and apparently Takehito Koyasu, who will be 50 next year, still makes the top 20 male seiyuu.)

...Well, that, and you don't hear much about fujoshi trying to stab Ono Daisuke in the face at his handshake events.
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CharonCaori



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:21 pm Reply with quote
DillMan wrote:
Personally being a homosexual male, I like a lot of the same stuff this article mentions, so I guess I owe a big thanks to the Fujoshi of the world for helping the process along haha. I can agree with the "spending power" as well because even though it is becoming more and more mainstream to see BL related items all over the places, it still seems like a subculture that people can create a decent supply for and still demand a lot of money for. I have spent a decent amount of money online on doujinshi for instance from Japan that can cost about $20-$30 each; which is a lot, but unless I find fan uploaded versions online, what other choice is there?


BL doujinshi in Japan usually only cost a few dollars. Between 300-800 yen for the vast majority, unless it's rare, or in color, or by a famous author. That import tax sounds insane!
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belvadeer wrote:
I'm more amazed that Kamen Rider somehow had a hand in all of this. Anime hyper


They still do it to this day. Listen to the fangirls scream everytime the actors touch each other or do something like pelvic thrusts.

CharonCaori wrote:
BL doujinshi in Japan usually only cost a few dollars. Between 300-800 yen for the vast majority, unless it's rare, or in color, or by a famous author. That import tax sounds insane!


It's not so much import tax as it is price gouging and markup from less reputable websites. Mandarake is the best place since they sell most doujinshi for 500-1500 yen while other sites sell them for 20-80 bucks each. I've seen some Pocket Monsters and Detective Conan doujinshi get marked up as high as $400 USD.

-Stuart Smith
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Lemonchest



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:36 pm Reply with quote
Stuart Smith wrote:
belvadeer wrote:
I'm more amazed that Kamen Rider somehow had a hand in all of this. Anime hyper


They still do it to this day. Listen to the fangirls scream everytime the actors touch each other or do something like pelvic thrusts.


I remember years ago when a Thai ladyboy show came to town. It was full of 30+ women & you could tell when the clothes came off no matter how far from the tent you were. That vid reminded me of it.
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Suena



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:34 pm Reply with quote
VICTURIftw wrote:
The fujoshi effect gave a beautiful cancerous disease to that supposedly super manly anime called All out!!!(though it became the reverse all male butt-based anime version of Keijo!!

As someone who went to quite a lot of work to try to screencap some butts (don't ask) in All Out!!, there were surprisingly few 'good' butt shots. It's wild that it has a reputation for derrieres, but in reality it rarely makes them a focus of the frames. At least, I'm sure it has nowhere near as many of as much as Keijo(!x8).

Apparently it doesn't require much fanservice from male characters, for a show to get a reputation of there being a lot.
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Stuart Smith wrote:
belvadeer wrote:
I'm more amazed that Kamen Rider somehow had a hand in all of this. Anime hyper


They still do it to this day. Listen to the fangirls scream everytime the actors touch each other or do something like pelvic thrusts.

CharonCaori wrote:
BL doujinshi in Japan usually only cost a few dollars. Between 300-800 yen for the vast majority, unless it's rare, or in color, or by a famous author. That import tax sounds insane!


It's not so much import tax as it is price gouging and markup from less reputable websites. Mandarake is the best place since they sell most doujinshi for 500-1500 yen while other sites sell them for 20-80 bucks each. I've seen some Pocket Monsters and Detective Conan doujinshi get marked up as high as $400 USD.

-Stuart Smith


$400 for doujinshi? I've seen them go for about $100, but not $400 and it makes me wonder if there is a collector's market or something for them. I can see anime discs costing $400+ secondhand if rare or are a set of new anime BDs at retail but not a single doujinshi.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:28 am Reply with quote
belvadeer wrote:
I'm more amazed that Kamen Rider somehow had a hand in all of this. Anime hyper
You'd think, but the Kamen Rider franchise isn't particularly shy about dishing out the subtext. Some series more than others of course, but Kuuga lays it on pretty thickly:
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:29 am Reply with quote
Stuart Smith wrote:
They still do it to this day. Listen to the fangirls scream everytime the actors touch each other or do something like pelvic thrusts.


I wonder how many of them were going, "Oh my gosh, look at their butts."

poonk wrote:
You'd think, but the Kamen Rider franchise isn't particularly shy about dishing out the subtext. Some series more than others of course, but Kuuga lays it on pretty thickly:


That's funny. I remember watching Kuuga online with friends a couple of years ago and I must have either missed that scene or I wasn't thinking about it that much.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:37 am Reply with quote
belvadeer wrote:
That's funny. I remember watching Kuuga online with friends a couple of years ago and I must have either missed that scene or I wasn't thinking about it that much.
It's from the end of ep.02, so it's pretty much right out the gate. I love Kuuga, second only to W of the Riders I've seen so far.
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poonk wrote:
It's from the end of ep.02, so it's pretty much right out the gate. I love Kuuga, second only to W of the Riders I've seen so far.


That explains it. I missed a small handful of the starting episodes. No wonder it didn't look familiar. Thanks poonk, I think I have some catching up to do.
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Herald Of JOJO



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:04 am Reply with quote
Wow. I'm currently watching Kuuga right now. I really didn't know that little factoid. That's awesome! Smile

Also, poonk, I'm bad at reading subtext. Are there actually more of these moments in Kuuga or rather throughout the franchise?

Another thing I'd like to know, how are people able to identify subtext in anything? Is subtext intentional on the part of the creators or is it based on interpretation by viewers?


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Lactobacillus yogurti



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I, on the other hand, belong to the other side... People who can't stand yaoi/shounen-ai because of the fans. Now, I don't want to start a fight with the denizens of this forum (this is not directed at you, I promise), but... Having been a fan of one of the most successful sports manga/anime series in the world, and seeing how women were literally drooling over said characters (with the consequent shipping), it annoyed me.

All I could think of is "if they're not pairing them with their own Mary Sue OCs, they're pairing them with each other. Dammit, why can't they just let a character be single?" And in Latin America, there were some really infamous Mary Sue OC cases, but that's a story for another day.

It just felt to me like they were turning things as innocuous as friendship into some kind of gratification... Like some kind of platonic masturbation. Please excuse the terms I used, but considering that they do it for the sake of pleasure, it works in a psychological context. It'd be sort of like seeing women ogle two gay guys making out... Only that in real life, they'd be annoyed, I reckon. Or women writing BL between real people (which already happens). Reminds me of how some men like watching lesbian porn.

All in all... It's not that the idea of two men (be it real or fictional) being together disgusts or irks me (to you gay/bi men in the world, you do you and be happy!). It's the fujoshi drooling like bulldogs over it and being so fanatical about pairing single characters that irks me. Just let the canon be canon, please.

End of rant. Lactobacillus yogurti expects being banned now.
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Rivailloli



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:09 am Reply with quote
As someone who is into BL, I'd say the article just about covers everything. I've never gotten into male idol shows (though I've enjoyed a few), but sport shows have been a constant interest of mine! To be honest though, shounen series like Naruto is where I got my first ships from. Sasuke and Naruto were just too perfect together!

I thank the fujoshi in Japan for creating this huge boom of content. I've done some stuff, like buy BL manga/anime over here, but there is only so much one guy from the west can do!

Lactobacillus yogurti wrote:
I, on the other hand, belong to the other side... People who can't stand yaoi/shounen-ai because of the fans.


I understand the complaint when they ram it into your face and fight over pairings with you, but if they're just shipping characters in their own little corner of the internet why so much disdain? It is really easy to avoid shipping art if you 1.) don't use tumblr (because that seems to be where female fans congregate) and 2.) follow the right people on twitter.

Also about why people are into shipping? I don't know what to tell ya'. It's fun. That's about it.

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Hoppy800 wrote:
Fujoshi are also getting more scarier too. I hear more and more stories about women getting out of that fandom because of how messed up a lot of them can be.


This is very much me when I was in college. I dabbled a bit in the yaoi fandom but the fans are seriously screwed up


People in general have disgusting fetishes and kinks. If you think it's only mostly fujoshi who go on and on about their fixations then you haven't spent much time on places like MAL, Deviantart, and /a/. Hell, even on ANN plenty of guys talk about their fixation on lolis. People wanna single out fujoshi because they're women who tend to be open with their sexuality and I feel that due to how repressed women's sexuality has been it's this huge "nasty" shock when they talk about it, but literally, it's exactly what men have been doing with their sexuality for years. People within the BL fandom can be gross, but they're really not even close to being the majority. It's just we focus on negatives more than anything.
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Lactobacillus yogurti



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:16 am Reply with quote
Rivailloli wrote:

Lactobacillus yogurti wrote:
I, on the other hand, belong to the other side... People who can't stand yaoi/shounen-ai because of the fans.


I understand the complaint when they ram it into your face and fight over pairings with you, but if they're just shipping characters in their own little corner of the internet why so much disdain? It is really easy to avoid shipping art if you 1.) don't use tumblr (because that seems to be where female fans congregate) and 2.) follow the right people on twitter


It's more the "But they're so cute together vs. They're goddamn 12-year-old kids!" what rubs me the wrong way, and especially when they want you to share their fetish. I had to block a former friend of mine because of that, and later she called me a bitter bitch who didn't understand love. *Sigh*.

Again, I avoid shipping because I never use Tumblr, I quit DeviantArt and I only use Twitter to follow news. It's hard being a grumpy old fan.
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darkchibi07



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:18 am Reply with quote
So is there a counterpart term of fujoshi for someone who likes bishoujo girls and shipping them? Or does it not exist yet?
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