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angel_lover
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Why is it that the fans of fictional worlds are criticised for believing in some way that the world is real? Isn't this what novellists and playwrights throughout the ages have tried to do? To create a world and characters that people can believe in? It's not otaku culture being stupid, it's a purely human phenomenon. From the plays of Aeschylus' day that were alleged to have literally scared young boys to death and made pregnant women miscarry to the traditional Asian theatres of gods and demons where stage invasions by audience members are not uncommon, the fourth wall is much more fragile than we think.
[Full disclosure: I cried when Serena Bishop from Neighbours died  ]
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prodicted
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Well it's true that trying to blend genre's or do something new can be refreshing and should not be discouraged. As a mangaka/writer you have to take into consideration what your target audience is and while twists or shocking situations can be entertaining they may turn a lot of people off. Ofcourse this doesn't mean that the people who were turned off need to cause such an uproar. Personally I couldn't care less about this whole thing and would find it interesting to see if they do the same in the anime (if it even gets to that point). Last edited by prodicted on Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:41 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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CCSYueh
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When I was a teen I knew fairies weren't real, but liked to think maybe somehow they might be. There IS a diff. Crying over a character dying in a well-written scene/story or feeling happy over a plot twist is a totally different concept from this. The author is TRYING to tug at our heartstrings, make us angry, etc, but ultimately it is the AUTHOR'S story. I disagreed with the direction Rowling was taking with Harry Potter & dropped the series a couple books from the end. That is the fan's choice to do so. The fan can even throw out all the books/magazines/cds/records/etc. Remember the Beatles record/memorabilia burnings? My daughter was so upset by the events late in 12 Kingdoms with that little boy that she actually cried & stopped watching the series. (she was ok until the scene was replayed like every ep for the next couple dvds). I know lots of people who have "islands" with say their top 5 babes/hunks on them, but most everyone I know also knows it's fake. My morning radio show even selects it to a time period such as Marilyn Monroe from this movie as opposed to a different movie look. Like an office pool, no babe/hunk can be selected twice, although if the "owner" kicks that person out, someone else can take the babe/hunk. We have a similar thread at a board I belong to & I have 5 characters I've never swapped out, but I don't fantasize about being with them. They're just mine at that board, like having a poster on one's wall. However, making such a huge fuss over someone you will never, ever meet in this world is another matter. Cursing VA Miyano's new wife to have a miscarriage is also totally wrong. We've come a bit away from the days when fans knocking down performers playing villains or getting involved in a relationship with the character they like in a story. We've seen the ugly side of stalking which leads to death. It's not really ok anymore if a fan is so immersed in the fandom that the fan cannot tell reality from fantasy. It has to be incredibly sad that they can't relate to real people so they build up a life with fake ones. |
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Siegel Clyne
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Over a couple of months ago, I wrote a post about the "virgin" issue on a Strike Witches TV anime thread at another forum after it was revealed that a particular character in the series had a boyfriend in the past and an up-and-coming teenage voice actress (seiyuu) in Japan has had a boyfriend since high school.
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hikaru004
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And with all that crap going on, the mangaka should have known better and just stayed away from it. Those fans were paying big bucks for club membership etc. We should all hope that she doesn't become another Minato Hiromu. |
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Dardre
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Sounds to me like these types of fans aren't upset about the character herself, but by the way it destroys the otaku's personal fantasies about her. There are enough otaku that are virgins (or at the very least extremely inexperienced) that it's become a stereotype, so it makes me wonder if they're mad because now they have to deal their personal 'performance issues', or something; because let's be honest, most of those screaming the loudest are also the ones that probably bought every ero-doujinshi that had the female in question in it. It's pathetic and sad that there are people like this. |
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luisedgarf
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Saeko Chiba, If I remember right now... |
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ZODDGUTS
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Except that the manga-ka needs to take into consideration what target audience this manga is being targated towards to. Like I said what happen in the recent chapter is sort of something you expect in a shoujo manga if the manga-ka wants to write that sort of romance angst stuff she should go to making shoujo manga instead of Shonen manga because it doesn't belong here which is why it pissed off so many people in Japan. What's next is the manga-ka going to be even less conventional by having one of female character's getting pregnant and having her ponder if she's going to keep or not. 
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Captain Crotchspike
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First of all, note that the people it pissed off so severely are a group of whiny virgins whose fragile psyches apparently can't take anything that may suggest the slightest taint on their masturbatory fantasies.
Wow, you're not allowed to have an element of drama in a shonen manga involving romantic relationships? There's never been anything like that ever before in the history of the genre, and there never should be because people expect all manga of its kind to play out exactly the same way? That's ridiculous. You can be satisfied with that kind of creative limp-wristedness if you'd like, but I don't mind breaking away from conventional stereotypes for the sake of telling a good story. |
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Dardre
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Yeah, it's not like it's her story or anything! She should obviously consult her fans on what she should and shouldn't write! She should be crucified for trying to be original and actually give a female character a life and history that doesn't revolve around the main (male) character! Geez, what was she thinking!? *sarcasm mode off* As for it being shoujo... yeah, no. Sorry, but that's such an overreaction, and overstatement, that I'm actually at a loss as to just where to start tearing it apart. I guess I'll just go with this: A female character crying about a former lover does not automatically equal 'shoujo'. It does, however, mean that the main male lead ain't the center of her universe (nor are the otaku who are inserting themselves into his place). Seriously, they should be glad that she's actually giving her heroine a solid, emotional history rather than doing the cliche, bland, cookie-cutter histories of most shonen heroines. Really, it's that kind of thinking that has caused so many shonen series to become nothing more than clones of each other. A good series is one that stands out from the dozens of similar series in a way that's interesting. I just hope she gets well and continues on as she planned. My fear though is that these bat**** insane fans will pressure her publisher and/or editor into trying to get her to 'correct' her story, just so that those 'fans' can continue to fantasize about Nagi falling in love with them.
EDIT: Captain Crotchspike, you took the words right out of my mouth. |
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yojimboray
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Yeah, otaku are weird and make it impossible for casual fans like myself to declare that I am a manga/anime fan. However, it is these "freaks," who spend hundreds (thousands?) of dollars per year on their "hobbies," that make the manga/anime industry successful. Don't shit on the hand that feeds you!
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tyciol
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I would not judge otakus by this, this should not reflect on all of them. I mean, don't most of us identify as 'otaku' for liking things like this?
It's moreso 2 categories of people. The first are guys legitimately upset about the potential non-virginity of the character. The second are guys who probably don't get a shit, but want to fake like they're offended for the hilarity and excuse for harassing the author. It's the equivilent of the dark btards for 2ch. |
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Dardre
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'Legitimately upset'? Just how is it that Nagi not being a virgin is something to get upset over? Does it fundamentally change who or what she is? Or does it just change the way the 'fans' see her? Considering how old she is, it's rather foolish to think that nothing all that important ever happened to her in all that time. Having decided to take a look at what all the fuss is about, I've watched the first three episodes of the anime. If it's even vaguely close to the manga, then there were already hints that the girls in the series are anything but the ultra-sheltered cliche shonen girls. For example, in the third episode you have a.) a girl that gets one of those kinds of nosebleeds over the main male character (I can't even remember his name  ), b.) he freaks out when he finds out Nagi went through his drawers and saw his porn while she just shrugs it off as something guys do, c.) this same scene has the girl who actually likes him rather pleased to find out that he appears to like big boobs. If you still think that Nagi is as pure as the driven snow, with no thoughts or understanding of sexual things, you're an idiot. Those 'fans' that are 'legitimately angry' seem to be idiots; those that are egging them on are also just as dumb.
Sorry, but this whole thing just seems to define fan dumb (take a look at the 'Mad Player' description). |
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hikaru004
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But it doesn't matter. No matter how many fanservicey positions she was drawn at the end of the anime. No matter about the ero episode. Nagi is a goddess. Goddess = purity. Nagi is also the object of their wish fulfillment. Meaning she is suppose to have eyes only for Jin or Jin's stand-in which is them. They paid $250 to join a fan club. They bought the cell phone cards, manga, CDs etc all on the basis of an assumed purity and ability fantasize about their 2D "wife". From that position, the mangaka crossed the line and basically ruined the series for them. I still think she should have known better. She needs to "correct" the situation asap so that the franchise can continue to be profitable if it's not too late. |
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bayoab
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How are the trolls and the meme carriers dumb? They don't care about the situation. They just see the potential and take advantage of it. For example, see next section.
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