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ikillchicken
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For whatever it's worth, I quite enjoyed my discussion with Timeenforceranubis. It seems to me like he's one of the people that is actually having substantial discussions with people and I didn't find for a minute find that he tried to act superior or make this a "dick-measuring contest" as you call it. |
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
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Not adding to the whole defining moe debate, I just want to mention an observation: Moe has entered the lexicon in relatively wide usage today, so it's likely that many anime fans have heard the word moe simultaneously with their discovery of anime. This creates a problem: The human brain tends to process concepts or identifies things better if they see it or experience it first before knowing what the word for it is.
For example if you eat something you like that you don't know the name of, you'll remember it much better than if you read the name of something and happen to taste it later. This is because your brain prioritizes searches for definitions or words AFTER your senses have experienced them. The difficulty with defining moe stems from this comparison. The experience of feeling moe and THEN hearing the word, especially if your intuition connects that feeling with the word first, makes the word moe itself more meaningful than having it defined for you, regardless of how cognizant of a moe emotion you are (or even moreso; whether you enjoy it or not). So this is why my first statement describes the difficulty in defining moe for many anime fans, their experience with anime coincides or is precluded by knowledge of the word moe. In other words they simply missed the opportunity. |
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jl07045
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No substantive discussion? Weren't there several proposed definitions? Even if this were a "dick-measuring contest", you can get things out of those as well as long as you concentrate on arguments instead of your ego. Just to be clear about some basics. Words don't have definitions. Terms have definitions. Terms are words used in a specific context with a specific meaning. Since many words (including "moe") have several meanings, so it will inevitably have several definitions. Moreover, there are several types of definitions - dictionary (lexical), theoretical, stipulative, persuasive etc. Different people here try to find a different type which complicates this even more. |
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Tank252ca
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Is no one coming to the defense of Humble Pie? Their Smokin' LP is a classic!
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Mohawk52
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Sadly it's becoming so wide that we can practically call all anime and manga as moe, so much so that even this web site could be renamed MoeNewsNetwork MNN. 
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jl07045
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Zac would love that. |
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agila61
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Yes, even Polar Bear Cafe with the ultra-cool Polar Bear as the lead has the clear moé character of Panda, as evidence by the yells of kawii and Panda's constant blushing. |
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Mohawk52
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dragon695
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Well, that sounds reasonable. You'll forgive my assumptions when it seemed like it was part and parcel of the whole militant bunker mentality that seems pervasive amongst those who feel there is a so-called war on pantsu here on ANN.
I guess I see where you are coming from. |
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Animegomaniac
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I love this so much! This is the same argument the US Supreme Court used to define pornography versus basic nudity in art. Paraphrase: "I can't quite define it but I know it when I see it." How appropriate. Moe here is being used as divisive factor, to seperate that which is basically appealing to overtly appealing. There are shows that have outright ugly character designs and situations, such as Gilgamesh and Reign. We need more unambigious shows like this we know the difference between what is good and what isn't. And yes, I'm being sarcastic. I hate both those shows. Seriously, I refuse to define moe because of the negative connotations when people use it. I don't "know it when I see it" so I certainly don't use it as a Theme. In another thread, I'm arguing against Rozen Maiden as Moe; they're not dressed or designed as goth lolis; They're actual sized Victorian era dolls. Technically speaking, they're the real thing. If other people see them as Moe, I can't stop them. I can only offer my point of view as a counterpoint. I also refuse to use Moe as critical shorthand. |
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Timeenforceranubis
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For the most part, it is indeed just a stylistic choice driven by my own inclinations towards maids with G36 rifles and cute girls in ACUPAT camo with nekomimi on their helmets, but I'd be lying if I were to say it isn't, in part, a parody of how militantly I've seen some people rail against moé.
I don't think that's what he's saying. I think what he's saying is that, despite people having varied definitions for "moé," it's rarely unclear what someone is talking about when they talk about moé, and it's rarely necessary for someone to articulate their personal definition to explain their interpretation. That is to say, it's not "I can't quite define it but I know it when I see it," it's "I understand what you're talking about and don't need it spelled out for me, even though we're talking about two different interpretations." |
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Fencedude5609
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You know, could we really stop pretending that there are "moe" shows and that they are taking over? Its like....you aren't even TRYING to understand the concept at work, you've just decided you don't like it and are going to complain about it.
Huh? This is completely irrelevant ot whether or not someone finds Suiseiseki or one of the others moe. I really don't even think you understand the concept if you think that the fact that they are actually dolls is at all relevant. And what does the gothloli aesthetic have to do with it? And, for the record, Suigintou is completely, 100% concentrated moe. |
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Mohawk52
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Fencedude5609
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Which is of course why your avatar is from Coyote Ragtime Show, which most cetainly had no characters anyone found moe. Nope. Not at all. 
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Mohawk52
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