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Sailor Sedna
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 Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:37 pm
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Looks like this is the most controversial anime ever made in recent times considering this happened... 
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jellybeanbandit
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:01 pm
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| Utsuro no Hako wrote: | | The show getting taken off the air in the single biggest metropolitan area in Japan is a big deal. Percentage-wise, Tokyo holds as much of the Japanese population as the entire state of California. |
First off, Tokyo holds around 7% of Japan's population. California is about 12-14%. Double is not 'just as much'. Second , Tokyo still airs it on its cable channel AT-X, plus it's the uncensored version. In addition to online streaming sites and other networks, this is not really as big of a deal as you're trying to make it.
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Megiddo
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:07 pm
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| jellybeanbandit wrote: |
| Utsuro no Hako wrote: | | The show getting taken off the air in the single biggest metropolitan area in Japan is a big deal. Percentage-wise, Tokyo holds as much of the Japanese population as the entire state of California. |
First off, Tokyo holds around 7% of Japan's population. California is about 12-14%. Double is not 'just as much'. Second , Tokyo still airs it on its cable channel AT-X, plus it's the uncensored version. In addition to online streaming sites and other networks, this is not really as big of a deal as you're trying to make it. |
There are 38 million people living in the Greater Tokyo Area.
Just how big of a population do you think Japan has?
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:07 pm
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Maybe if it’s gotten to the point where fanservice shows are indistinguishable from porn that Japan should consider holding back on so many fanservice shows every year for awhile and go back to making shows be about their plots?
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Utsuro no Hako
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:27 pm
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| jellybeanbandit wrote: | | First off, Tokyo holds around 7% of Japan's population. |
Not according to the government of Tokyo.
And that's just Tokyo proper. The overall metropolitan area is much, much bigger.
| Quote: | | Second , Tokyo still airs it on its cable channel AT-X, plus it's the uncensored version. |
AT-X is a premium cable channel in a country where only about half of households even have basic cable.
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Sailor Sedna
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:00 pm
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| Cardcaptor Takato wrote: | | Maybe if it’s gotten to the point where fanservice shows are indistinguishable from porn that Japan should consider holding back on so many fanservice shows every year for awhile and go back to making shows be about their plots? |
I couldn't agree more with this statement.
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CatSword
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:06 pm
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| Cardcaptor Takato wrote: | | Maybe if it’s gotten to the point where fanservice shows are indistinguishable from porn that Japan should consider holding back on so many fanservice shows every year for awhile and go back to making shows be about their plots? |
'So many'? We've literally been in an ecchi drought for years.
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AkumaChef
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:08 pm
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| Sailor Sedna wrote: |
| Cardcaptor Takato wrote: | | Maybe if it’s gotten to the point where fanservice shows are indistinguishable from porn that Japan should consider holding back on so many fanservice shows every year for awhile and go back to making shows be about their plots? |
I couldn't agree more with this statement. |
Fanservice shows are OK every once in a while but I agree that they can easily be a bit much.
What I would love to see would be a show which had both a strong plot as well as some (limited and appropriate) adult content. It seems that shows fall into one category or the other. It would be nice to see a serious show with a strong plot, well developed characterization, top-notch production values, etc, that did not shy away from a love scene. Instead, it seems that when the camera goes in the bedroom the plot and the character depth both go out the window.
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Errinundra
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:49 pm
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Snark post and response removed.
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MushroomMan674
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:52 pm
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Seems like this anime is starting to be more trouble than it's worth now.
Though, I still like it, and think that anime like these that push the boundaries of what's allowable and challenges everyone's thoughts and opinions about lewd content in anime are good for the industry.
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El Hermano
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:13 pm
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| Cardcaptor Takato wrote: | | Maybe if it’s gotten to the point where fanservice shows are indistinguishable from porn that Japan should consider holding back on so many fanservice shows every year for awhile and go back to making shows be about their plots? |
Ishuzoku Reviewers has a plot. The plot is about two guys and friends reviewing brothels and getting to into situations and world-building. Every fanservice show has a plot, writing, and characters. These are not mutually exclusive things. Just because you don't like the show doesn't justify comments like this, let alone calling for less of them to be made.
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brtt150
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:28 pm
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Also plenty of sources in Japan still are airing this. No bubble has been burst and lewd ecchi will continue on. |
The show getting taken off the air in the single biggest metropolitan area in Japan is a big deal. Percentage-wise, Tokyo holds as much of the Japanese population as the entire state of California. |
And? This is an extreme example in the case of the actual content of the show. People in here acting like shows like Qwasar of Stigmata or Testament of Sister New Devil are in danger.
It getting removed from Tokyo MX considering its content isn't surprising. Is it a bit deal? For the show itself, maybe. Demand for this type of content will persist however.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:58 pm
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| El Hermano wrote: | |
Ishuzoku Reviewers has a plot. The plot is about two guys and friends reviewing brothels and getting to into situations and world-building. Every fanservice show has a plot, writing, and characters. These are not mutually exclusive things. Just because you don't like the show doesn't justify comments like this, let alone calling for less of them to be made. |
The few fanservice shows I've seen where I enjoyed them for the plot (Maria the Virgin Witch, Punch Line, How Not To Summon a Demon Lord being a few), I enjoyed them in spite of the fanservice and not really because of it. Usually it was some other element of the show I liked that caught my attention (an interesting plot twist, well developed characters etc). But the vast majority of the fanservice shows that came out this past decade most people probably don't even remember and most of them probably didn't make it onto most people's top anime of the decade lists. In spite of the efforts of reviewer bombers to rig the MAL scores, I'll be surprised if people even remember Interspecies Reviewers five months from now outside of this controversy and maybe we're at the breaking point where we're so oversaturated with fanservice shows that people can't tell them apart from real porn anymore that they all end up blurring together. If they wanted to make this a porn, they should have went the OVA route and actually made it a porn instead of going this weird half-way route.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:57 am
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Currently holding #2 place in there in its way to #1. This is definitely going to do wonders to its sales, or so I hope. The more money Passione gets out of this for Higurashi, the better it is for me. |
I somehow doubt these people actually care about supporting the anime industry. |
That sounds about right, I wonder how many of them would pony up the money if Discotek Media licensed and released it on home media. I did check and now people are doing the exact opposite and giving it a 1 to driver down the score.
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Horsefellow
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:31 am
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| Cardcaptor Takato wrote: | | I enjoyed them in spite of the fanservice and not really because of it. |
This line right here just makes it sound like you don't like fanservice. Which is fine, but fanservice isn't going to shape and conform to your personal preferences and doesn't need your approval to exist. It's popular and people like it and that's all that really matters at the end of the day. It's one of main draws to anime that western media has been shamed into abandoning. If someone doesn't like it, they can move on and find something else to watch.
| Quote: | | But the vast majority of the fanservice shows that came out this past decade most people probably don't even remember and most of them probably didn't make it onto most people's top anime of the decade lists. |
You can say that about any show. Most shows stop getting discussion after they end. No one is still discussing last years shows unless they're still airing. Considering top lists are only 5 or 10 shows, 99.9% of anime wouldn't make it on a 'top anime of the decade' list so that's a very high bar you're setting there. And at the end of the day, it's all subjective and personal lists don't mean a thing anyway.
| Quote: | | In spite of the efforts of reviewer bombers to rig the MAL scores, I'll be surprised if people even remember Interspecies Reviewers five months from now outside of this controversy and maybe we're at the breaking point where we're so oversaturated with fanservice shows that people can't tell them apart from real porn anymore that they all end up blurring together. If they wanted to make this a porn, they should have went the OVA route and actually made it a porn instead of going this weird half-way route. |
If someone can't tell porn from fanservice that sounds like its on them. Luckily those people don't get to write the rules. Shows don't need to to conform to anyone's views or standards and have a right to exist without hiding themselves away on a direct to video release. They can kick and scream as much as they want, but it's not going to stop shows like this from existing and continue being made. At some point they'll either have to learn to accept it or move onto a new hobby.
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