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Sakagami Tomoyo
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An interesting insight. I'll admit vegetarianism is still a somewhat alien concept to me; I'm generally accepting of a more "I prefer not to eat meat, but if it's the only thing available I'll eat it" attitude, but a bit baffled by the almost religious zeal some have about meat not being eaten by them, or anyone or anything else.
Or as far as we can tell, in any case. For all we know, plants could have some kind of consciousness that we don't have the means to detect or comprehend. For quite a while in human history we didn't think animals had as much in the way of consciousness as we now know they do, and we're likely still underestimating it. |
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Hugh Mungus
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Japan's not alone in the lack of vegetarianism, in France, less than a fraction of the population is vegetarian; however, like Japan, it's a culture thing, as the French way is seen as being able to indulge in what you love, just like how Japan, fish is a big part of the cuisine.
Hope everybody enjoyed the most educational run-off sentence I will ever write. |
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Paiprince
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Sums up what I think about this, among many other cultural pet peeves that will get mentioned. |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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I think Shizuru of BBK/BRNK is veterian as she only eats "grass" which seems to be vegetables. A little surprised about Japan given the preponderance of tofu and there are a couple of companies producing very palatable faux-meat with processed tofu. But dashi I understand...
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Zumie
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So, no "Soapboxing" on veganism- even though technically the answer kind of covered it in the article itself? Wait- so what is the point of even discussing it? Why did the article get published if people can't comment on the tenants of veganism/meat eating if we can't?? It seems more than a little hypocritical to me...
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maximilianjenus
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there are arguments on vegetarian efficiency, as let's say, cows can eat grass, which humans can't eat, so we get out protein form cows after they process the grass while other wise we would have to make the pastures into faring land killing 20 times more lifes than if we did the cow thing and also having a big impact regarding biodiversity; is not a simple topic as vegans or carnivores would like you to think.
dude, we lasted a while thinking other humans were not worht being considered humans. |
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Zalis116
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I would've thought vegetarian options would've been slightly more available, as quite a few shows have "not able to afford meat" as the mark of a poor character. But I guess they're referring to land-animal-based meat rather than fish.
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Fenrin
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I don't get how there are commenters who "don't understand" vegans and vegetarians. What is there to understand? They don't eat meat and that's it, their reasoning should be irrelevent to accepting them as they aren't causing harm to anyone with their choice. As long as they aren't in your face about it let them be.
This makes me irritated as I'm reminded of ignorant people who give my sister a judgemental look when she orders a gluten-free pizza at Pieology 'for preference', when she has an actual gluten sensitivity. |
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suikara
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I'll be spending a month in Japan soon, so I've been doing some research. Actually, there is a growing vegan and animal rights movement in Japan.
Some examples that I've found: https://www.vegansociety.com/whats-new/blog/vegan-japan http://japanvegan.blogspot.com/ https://isitveganjapan.com/vegan-festivals-and-groups/ https://www.happycow.net/ is also useful for finding vegetarian, vegan, or veg-friendly restaurants in Japan. Now, a couple of comments. First, I have to say that it's a little disappointing that the author falls back on "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down" generalizations about Japanese society. Nonconformity is certainly valued in, fr'ex, punk rock and noise subculture. From an interview with Merzbow (Japanese noise artist):
Also, it's a bit of an overgeneralization to say that fish is a major part of all Japanese culture. The traditional Okinawan diet, even if not vegetarian, consists almost entirely of plant foods, with sweet potato and rice as the major staples, and meat/fish play a very small role. Western vegans who are interested in the health aspects of the diet often point to starch-based diets like the Okinawan for their role in promoting longevity. And with fish populations at a critical low, (see http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/10-alarming-facts-about-overfishing/) as much as some may not want to hear it, large-scale fishing is a practice that we're better off without. For this reason -- as well as fish being sentient creatures with their own interests -- it's worth a little inconvenience, rudeness, or risk of embarassment for vegetarians to avoid fish while in Japan. |
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configspace
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The difference is not between living vs non-living. It's between what most vegetarians consider conscious/sentient or not (with some exceptions in different subsets) Or more precisely anything with central nervous system/brain vs not. Also you can be perfectly healthy and even very muscular as a vegetarian.
I never went to an Indian restaurant when I visited Japan, but I'd assume so, considering the native vegetarian fair common in Indian food and culture. Also, it's likely that the only real way to make other people understand vegetarian food that does not include fish is to simply say shojin ryori and similarly mention the equivalent terms for buddhist food anywhere in sino-Asia like China, Taiwan, etc would get the point across quicker. I do think it's easier to substitute meat for tofu or gluten (seitan) in other places like China, but you're still not guaranteed non-meat based ingredients like chicken broth or oyster sauce unless you go to a temple. |
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Greboruri
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A new vegetarian/vegan website listing restaurants and even products in convenience store products has recently began operation; https://vegewel.com/ Not as good as Tabelog which I often use when I go over there, but of course Tabelog doesn't give options for vegetarians vegans.
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jymmy
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Plus the other of his characters Hideaki Anno famously wrote his vegetarianism into, Nadia from Nadia. |
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Errinundra
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Posts: 6525 Location: Melbourne, Oz |
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Disclosure: I've been vegetarian for 25 years. By all means discuss the pros and cons of various diets but avoid being unnecessarily aggressive toward those who practice them. The post Psycho 101 deleted crossed the line. |
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roxybudgy
Posts: 129 Location: Western Australia |
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I'll be visiting Japan with my mum and brother next year, and the challenge will be finding food for my brother. He's not vegetarian, but he doesn't like fish, seafood, seaweed, anything that came from the river or ocean. He doesn't have an allergy to that stuff, he just doesn't like the taste or smell of those foods.
I asked my brother how he was going to cope, and he says he'll just eat katsu all the time :p |
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leafy sea dragon
Posts: 7163 Location: Another Kingdom |
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Anyone have an explanation on France having an incredibly low vegetarian population? I'm not a vegetarian, but I knew someone who was and vacationed in France. When she was in Paris, she was forced to eat meat, and she said that the restaurant staff didn't understand what constituted vegetarian-friendliness. I later learned on Kitchen Nightmares that Paris has one of the lowest vegetarian populations in their world by percentage (2%, I believe), and as a result, there are almost no restaurants that serve vegetarians outside of desserts.
The reasons that apply to Japan (extreme dependency on the ocean for food, a cultural expectation to fit in with other people) don't apply to France, which is why it puzzles me.
Interesting. The very concept of being a vegetarian is different between Japan and the Anglosphere. I wonder if that means fish are seen as some sort of lower lifeform in Japan than terrestrial animals, or if it's just that the Japanese have lived off the sea for their diets for so long that it's hard to imagine not eating seafood. The ones who travel inland to the United States must get uncomfortable with the thorough LACK of seafood and lack of popularity of seafood.
Well, we have Edible Arrangements, but I don't think that's the same thing.
I'm guessing it's a related concept, but some Thai restaurant chefs will still serve something with fish sauce in it to people who request vegetarian meals. I had worked with someone who was a vegetarian and was served Pad Thai, which contains fish sauce. (Which is weird because vegetarianism is pretty mainstream in Thailand. I think it's more of a "They don't need to know" situation.)
There have been some recent discoveries of plants communicating with each other across species, however, via chemical signals dispersed into the air. The clearest one is a distress signal from a damaged plant that causes nearby plants' defensive systems to activate (if they have one). No one's really clear on if this is a sign of intelligence from plants, but the possibility is not zero. This concept was brought up in Through the Wormhole as an example of a communications system so alien to human comprehension that it went unnoticed by researchers for thousands of years. Deriving any further conclusions from that will lead into Poison Ivy kind of thinking though. |
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