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SchrödingerNeko
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 5:28 pm
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This is just funny... xD
Got to admire his dedication if anything.
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harminia
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 6:26 pm
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Quote: | while only 19% of scenarios were non-consensual. |
I was surprised by this until I remembered this is just erotica not actual hentai
if you did the stats on hentai...yikes
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Kougeru
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 6:46 pm
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gamegodtre wrote: | Comic Lo is 90 percent consensual who would have known loli porn is so wholesome. |
That legit made me LOL. But it makes sense. Given it's already a very controversial subject matter, making it violent and such would just make it look even worse.
harminia wrote: |
Quote: | while only 19% of scenarios were non-consensual. |
I was surprised by this until I remembered this is just erotica not actual hentai
if you did the stats on hentai...yikes |
Do you define hentai as animated? This is literally just manga-form hentai
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 7:24 pm
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Comic LO- 1
"Moral Guardians"- 0
When a loli magazine has more consensual sex than most hentai magazines, you know the "moral guardians" don't have a leg to stand on.
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Key
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 7:26 pm
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Oh, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if this is just a long-term pet project. I could easily see myself doing something like this if I had enough free time and access.
Regardless, I find research like this fascinating, as it covers topics that often get overlooked. I do agree that the numbers for hentai doujinshi would probably be significantly more skewed towards non-consensual using the definition that Midori is, though maybe not quite half. Another potentially interesting point could be comparing the numbers between hetero and homo sexual relations, with separate breakdowns for both BL and yuri; the latter seems to skew much more heavily towards consensual, and what I've heard about BL suggests the opposite. How incest stories would rank here might also be interesting; I suspect that they would come out heavily on the consensual side as well.
As far as the romancing aspect goes? I think you see that a lot more in non-BL hentai aimed at women, especially yuri made for lesbians. You can see it in male-targeted titles but it's definitely not very common.
#HayamiLover wrote: | Does erotic manga even have sex scenes? I always thought that the main skill in writing this manga is how long you can save characters as technical virgins and at the same time make plot increasingly risky pornographic. |
You're confusing fan service titles with actual hentai, where a single sex scene can easily last a dozen or more pages.
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MetalEmolga7
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 7:50 pm
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Number 6 wrote: | Something that annoys me in erotic manga is that, in most of the consensual sex ones, you never see a dude actually seducing a girl (And when you see one initiating, she either was interested in him so she doesn't mind he forced her). I know it panders to fantasies, but you don't quite see positive examples of a dude wooing a girl. Heck, in most of them, it's like the girl always has to initiate out of frustration because she likes the dude, he likes her but doesn't do anything because he's indecisive, is afraid, whatever. Again, it panders to fantasies, but I will still rally for more positive examples of men in porn! |
Most ero manga aimed at men is made with the assumption that the consumer is a socially awkward male. Because of this the default scenario is for the protagonist to be pursued because its a fantasy for easy low effort sex. Ero manga aimed at female audiences tends to reverse this scenario
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MetalEmolga7
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 8:36 pm
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Key wrote: | As far as the romancing aspect goes? I think you see that a lot more in non-BL hentai aimed at women, especially yuri made for lesbians. You can see it in male-targeted titles but it's definitely not very common. |
BL and Het romance are pretty much the same in terms of rape vs romance ratio. A lot of people make the mistake of assuming shojo anime made for elementary school girls and BL anime aimed at grown women are representative, when their not. Yuri as far as I've seen has way less rape than either.
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Compelled to Reply
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 9:00 pm
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StarfighterPegasus wrote: |
kotomikun wrote: |
The stereotype about Japanese people having wild fetishes is mostly just juxtaposition, though. They seem very polite and conservative in person, but through anime/manga we get exposed to all their secret sexual fantasies. Anything seems more extreme when it comes from someone you'd never expect, especially if it's taboo. |
Americans are the same way, |
As is everybody else. International popular culture can be both a blessing and detriment to attitudes abroad. If I wasn't exposed to anime and vidya at such an early age, my impression of Japan would probably be something along the lines of fast trains and electronics, which is also quite stereotypical.
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gamegodtre
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 9:03 pm
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harminia wrote: |
Quote: | while only 19% of scenarios were non-consensual. |
I was surprised by this until I remembered this is just erotica not actual hentai
if you did the stats on hentai...yikes |
Every single one mentioned has hardcore sex in it and are 18+ hentai monthly doujin releases that have 200-400 pages with 10-20 stories by different artists. If you dont believe me you can google them.
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gamegodtre
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 9:05 pm
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Key wrote: | Oh, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if this is just a long-term pet project. I could easily see myself doing something like this if I had enough free time and access.
Regardless, I find research like this fascinating, as it covers topics that often get overlooked. I do agree that the numbers for hentai doujinshi would probably be significantly more skewed towards non-consensual using the definition that Midori is, though maybe not quite half. Another potentially interesting point could be comparing the numbers between hetero and homo sexual relations, with separate breakdowns for both BL and yuri; the latter seems to skew much more heavily towards consensual, and what I've heard about BL suggests the opposite. How incest stories would rank here might also be interesting; I suspect that they would come out heavily on the consensual side as well.
As far as the romancing aspect goes? I think you see that a lot more in non-BL hentai aimed at women, especially yuri made for lesbians. You can see it in male-targeted titles but it's definitely not very common.
#HayamiLover wrote: | Does erotic manga even have sex scenes? I always thought that the main skill in writing this manga is how long you can save characters as technical virgins and at the same time make plot increasingly risky pornographic. |
You're confusing fan service titles with actual hentai, where a single sex scene can easily last a dozen or more pages. |
I wouldnt be surprised if for the 19 percent rape at least 5 percent is women raping men as i see that alot in hentai
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gamegodtre
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 9:16 pm
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Kougeru wrote: |
gamegodtre wrote: | Comic Lo is 90 percent consensual who would have known loli porn is so wholesome. |
That legit made me LOL. But it makes sense. Given it's already a very controversial subject matter, making it violent and such would just make it look even worse. |
as someone who reads from comic lo cause ryo maeshima is a god tier artist, im willing to bet that part of the 5 percent of rapes.... are the girls raping the men under threat of police, as that is in one of his doujins. this is how i learned that in japan kids carry a alarm with a pull cord. why cant we get those alarms as thats a smart idea?
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Mad_Scientist
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 9:25 pm
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For those shocked by the Comic LO numbers, keep in mind that the definition of "consensual" sex the guy was using does not seem to involve any sort of age of consent. So as I understand it, a Comic LO story could feature a 10 year old having sex with a 50 year old, and as long as there was no drugging/force/etc involved it would count as "consensual" for his study.
When you look at it that way, the numbers suddenly make a whole lot more sense.
On another note, I noticed that for quite a few of the magazines the percentages don't add up to 100%. Did he provide any explanation for that? Were there cases where he for some reason felt he couldn't properly classify the scenes?
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TsukasaElkKite
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 10:27 pm
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Getting paid to read eromanga...for science! Best job ever.
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Zalis116
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Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 12:01 am
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Mad_Scientist wrote: | For those shocked by the Comic LO numbers, keep in mind that the definition of "consensual" sex the guy was using does not seem to involve any sort of age of consent. So as I understand it, a Comic LO story could feature a 10 year old having sex with a 50 year old, and as long as there was no drugging/force/etc involved it would count as "consensual" for his study.
When you look at it that way, the numbers suddenly make a whole lot more sense.
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And indeed, the age factor could change the status of quite a few works out there, beyond the obvious loli/shota stuff. If minors can't consent to sex with adults, that puts the "Teacher x Student" category and other works involving adult-teenager pairings into the nonconsensual category. If minors can't consent to sex with anyone, that reclassifies pretty much anything involving participants younger than university-age. Perhaps "non-forcible" would be a more accurate term. Though even with that caveat, there's a lot of storylines involving non-physical intimidation, coercion, and/or blackmail, e.g. "I have these compromising pictures of you, so you must have sex with me to buy my silence." It doesn't seem like those kinds of scenes were counted as non-consensual under the study's definitions.
So basically, the "all rape, all the time" stereotype isn't true; there's a lot more willing/consensual content than one might think, but there are a few asterisks involved.
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MetalEmolga7
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Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 12:28 am
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[quote="Zalis116"]
Mad_Scientist wrote: |
Though even with that caveat, there's a lot of storylines involving non-physical intimidation, coercion, and/or blackmail, e.g. |
The guidelines doesn't distinguish between physical and non-physical intimidation so I don't think it is fair to assume it excludes it. That and it's based on Japan's actual laws which is relevant.
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