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Why do a lot of Gundam fans hate SEED Destiny?

That's right, Kira was suppose to die in SEED 50 but due to his massive popularity in japan which continues to this day the director changed his mind. IIRC the main reason they green lighted a SEED sequel were the stunning dvd sales (as opposed to avg/poor model kit sales) it had, avg 50-60k when 10k is considered a success made a sequel a no brainer.

Unfortunately to make a sequel they had to like ikillchicken said change the existing characters for the worse and shoehorn some bullcrap into the plot like Cagalli having a betrothed even though she run around trying to hump Kira for 20-30 episodes. Cagalli was my favorite character from the original SEED but she lost her backbone/spunkiness in the sequel. Athrun just equaled the hand on head ascii art, Kira/Lacus were perfect, Mwu had no explanation for being back, Gilbert/Rey/Logos/druggies were not as good as their first season counterparts and the new characters just sucked especially Shinn.

For a sequel (which looking at Destiny dvd sales is a matter of when not if) Lacus has to be end up being the SEED version of Supreme Chancellor Palpatine (sp) from Star Wars.

HitokiriShadow wrote:

it would have been possible to continue to grow characters like Athrun and Cagalli

Saying that doesnt make it true.

Coming up with new characters is possible, but its alot harder than just continuing with the already good and successful characters you have. Infact Id say its even harder than coming up with characters in a brand new show, because then youve got a blank slate.

just saying "there was more to do with those characters" which is all youre doing, isnt much of an arguement. What could they have still done?

I should elaborate though, there was no room for a direct sequel. A sequel set in the same world is really a pretty different thing. Then it can be a spinoff, or something totally different, or something set quite a while later.

A direct sequel is generally more of the same, largely a continuation of the original. Thats really hard to do with a very complete series like SEED.

With Zeta, perhaps it deserves some credit for overcoming this same disadvantage, but then, I don't think the original gundam was as conclusive as SEED. Maybe Im wrong here (I haven't seen the original) but I don't really think it had nearly as much character development or underlying themes. Therefore, its quite possible to just continue the storyline.

There was plenty of room for a direct sequel. The Earth Alliance or whatever it was called still existed, ZAFT still existed, and the enmity between the Naturals and Coordinators didn't magically disappear when Patrick Zala and La Creuset were defeated. And there are billions of people on the planet, so there were plenty of options for new main characters.

Please explain.

You can't seem to understand that Gundam SEED was perfect for a sequel.

Thats pretty much what this has come down to isnt it? You saying over and over that SEED is perfect for a sequel on nothing more than the basis that there could totally be another war.

I think I've explained what are in my oppinion very obvious reasons why its not as simple as that. I don't think theres really any more I can say that wouldnt just be repeating what I've already said. You might as well just go back and reread my other posts.

No. Im tired of explaining.

I watch Destiny on YTV and I like it, but Seed is way better. For one, sequels are usually never as good as the original and Destiny proves it.

True. Also though, I think the problems in SEED were relatively isolated. You could get past the fact that all the character designs were very similar, or when there was a recap episode, suffer through it and then continue with the story afterwards, or even with reused animation.

I guess the creators realised that too many people died in Seed that they wanted the ending in Desitiny to be a Hallmark moment.