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Proman
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That's the whole point: if it was a kid's show than why edit it? That's because in Japan Dragonball Z was never specifically a kids show. It was mainly targeted at teenagers. Lightly edited version? The version that is available on Toonami can in no way be considered to be lightly edited (believe me, I've seent the original Japanease episodes). I can understand why they were edited but there's no way I'm gonna call them "lightly edited". |
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Samurai CDZ
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Different countries, different standards. |
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cookie
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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See... I have, too. And so has anyone else who's purchased the DVDs from FUNi. I wonder why you still think they're NOT lightly edited. Naturally, the first 52 English-dubbed episodes were heavily edited; even a Funimation employee would have to admit that. However, post-52 (and specifically, post-Freeza) the amount of editing has gone down. By the Buu Saga, almost nothing of significance was being edited.. a paintbrush here and there, a swear word or two removed... but nothing significant in any way. By "significant", I mean something along the lines of how "Cardcaptors" was realigned from a girl's show to a boy's show.. or how Battle of the Planets added narration and animation to help gloss over the violence.. or how entire episodes of Sailor Moon and DBZ were cut. Or how two (or more) episodes of Escaflowne were pasted together. If your source was the DBZ fansubs (I can't BELIEVE they're still floating around), don't trust them. Animelabs and E.Monsoon were probably two of the worst groups of their time (There's also a reason why they were called bootleggers, and not fansubbers, but that's an aside.) They made up for their lack of Japanese-fluency by filling in the voids with swears. What they put out wasn't "DBZ". It was "DBZ + Lots of Swearing". So, what has been cut from the US release? |
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Nagisa
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Preteens, perhaps, of the ten-to-fourteen range.
So have I. Compared to some of the other shows Toonami's aired in the past? It got off lucky. Look at Sailor Moon, look at Saint Seiya, look at Robotech, Evangelion, Card Captor Sakura, Outlaw Star, Yuu Yuu Hakusho, Rurouni Kenshin, THESE shows got the short end of the stick. DBZ? Cell Arc? Buu Arc? Rather light editing there. Saiya-Jin Arc? Freezer Arc? Being reworked.
No. It's not brilliant. It's some childish "supervillain plot" devised from some slanted "bad, bad, evil corporation" view of FUNimation. Detective Conan is actually a lot like Inu-Yasha; primetime family show in Japan, too graphic for Toonami, not graphic enough to bring out the "adult" in Adult Swim. Yet where has Inu-Yasha found itself? And methinks it won't be budging from that spot for a long time coming. |
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Anime_Freak
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That's true. IY is garnering some great ratings from what I can figure, and it's not really "adult" enough to be on Adult Swim, like you said. Nothing REALLY objectionable in Inuyasha, nothing you didn't see when CN was airing Sailor Moon in the afternoons/mornings. |
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Neardawg1979
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I wouldn't let my kid watch DBZ, if I had one. There are plenty of sexual inuendo, frontal nudity, and even a little pedophilia. There's a scene where Goku bribes the Grand Kiaoshin with porn in order to learn a secret to save the planet from Majin Buu. When that didn't work Goku offered to let God feel up an underage girl (Videl). As far as being lightly edited, that's not entirely true. The first three episodes were edited so much that the material was compressed into one. Editing references to heaven and hell, God and Satan (Mr. Satan), and even death. More importantly they changed the feel of the program overall. When they dubbed it into english they made many of the voices so obnoxious, and they play really crappy music non-stop. It's more than changing the blood and violence. Watching both versions I somehow feel they were made for two different audiences.
All I was saying is that I see no reason to make these changes. Does anybody even know why there is a name change? |
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cookie
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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I don't think anyone's arguing that point; yes, the first three episodes were trimmed into one. Yes, the one episode with Gohan's robot friend was cut.. but, consider that it was done in 1995-1996, and DBZ was airing only in syndication. Different time, different editing. Now ("post-Freeza") the series is basically unedited, is what some of us are arguing. For purposes of the DBZ discussion, we _KNOW_ that the first 52 episodes were handled differently than episodes 53+. Specifically, we're talking about the Cell Saga and the Buu Saga, not the Saijin/Freeza Saga. Yes, God and Mr. Satan and a smattering of blood is edited, but nothing that even approaches the amount of editing found in the first 52 episodes. IIRC, only one episode was cut after DBZ came to Toonami. Everything else is relatively minor editing in comparison. |
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Nagisa
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Exactly. And as I said previously, FUNimation's redubbing everything up to episode 53-ish. And if they make it onto TV (they have a good chance, if memory serves; didn't Cartoon Network basically lose the rights to the original dubs?), they'll be given the exact same treatment as the Cell & Buu Arcs. |
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Neardawg1979
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I'm not going to argue that DBZ is totally adult oriented, I know there's many more mature animes out there, but at the very least DBZ is intended for a general audience. That's all I'll say on that.
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Pepperidge
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There is a difference between "kids" shows and "general" shows.
Shows that run on Sunday morning are targeted at children and no one else. This includes: Digimon, Sonic X, Spiral, Tokyo Mew Mew, Astro Boy, and many others. Shows with mass appeal are run in the evenings and attract audiences composed of children, teens, and adults. These include DBZ, One Piece, Naruto, Shaman King, Detective Conan, Inu-Yasha and... well, more than I can name. Technically, these shows don't belong on Fox Box, or Toonami, or Adult Swim. Ideally, they belong in prime time slots much like the Simpsons, targeting a family audience. Of course, we know that's never going to happen. |
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Nagisa
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Hm...yeah, I'll sort of agree with the "general audiences" assessment. However, shows of that nature don't have much objectionable content, either, seeing as how they have to appeal to the wide spectrum of viewers.
EDIT: Don't ya love it when you don't catch a typo until an hour or two later? Last edited by Nagisa on Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:12 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Tempest
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Hmm, there's some truth to that stement, but its also flawed. While shows like DBZ, One Piece, Naruto, Shaman King, Detective Conan, Inu-Yasha have a lot of older fans, they are geared towards a Tween & Teen audience. There's no way that a show like Shaman King could compete with a show like The Simpsons on Prime Time. The difference between the two is that one was designed for people under 18 but appeals to many people over 18, while the other was specifically designed to appeal to people over 18 as well as under. Were you to survey 1000 random American adults who had never seen or heard of either the Simpsons nor Shaman King. If you showed them say, 13 episodes of each, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority would dismiss Shaman King as a child's show, while significantly fewer would dismiss the Simpsons. Unfortunately, a lot of teenage North American anime fans look at Japanese shows designed for children and say, "This is much more mature & intelligent that US Cartoons," which is true for the most part and then conclude "it's for adults!" which is utterly false. |
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space clam
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Nothing worse than you might see on a "PG" show on MTV. Notwithstanding that I despise MTV, I use it as an example of modern culture. I distinctly recall the Kaioshin scene, and you must remember, that was an isolated incident in a show of over-the-top superhuman fights. It's not as though the show were inundated with them. I most certainly wouldn't call the Videl part "pedophilia." If you'll recall, said suggestion was quickly shot down by Gohan.
Nowadays in America, we're overly careful not to speak of an exclusive religion (*cough cough Christianity cough*) Heaven, hell, God, Satan are commonly (though not necessarily exclusively) Christian beliefs, and putting said references in a cartoon might turn our kids into intolerant, narrow-minded, conservative wing-nuts, and who wants that? References to death were initially cut, but were basically all back by the Trunks/Androids saga (if memory serves) Back to topic, I'm not going to lose sleep over a few name changes. If names are that important, you can always get the subbed version. I've little problem with changing names; it's a useful marketing practice which helps sell the product better. And if life will simply cease to be without Japanese names/titles, I can watch the subbed version like any self-respecting otaku would. (From reading the thread, it's kind of easy to tell the "otaku newbs" from the seasoned vets. Just a quasi-funny thought...) |
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Izlude
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Basically what we got here is a mentallity problem = Cartoons(even comic books) are for kids. There it is people! Thats the heart of the problem RIGHT there.
If people see animation that is made for the older audience, its dismissed has violent pornographic filth, which no one should watch. The key to solving that problem is by showing people there are more than one kind of animation out there. Cartoon Network's Adult Swim is just the stepping stone, and I don't know about Spike TV's lil block of animation... but there are alot of underrated animation out there that are indeed for general audiences or adults. I mean, South Park, Beavis and Butthead, Duckman, The Critic, Dilbert, Aeon Flux, The Head, Maxx, etc... |
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Proman
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Please, give American kids some credit! Japanease kids didn't turn into "intolerant, narrow-minded, conservative wing-nuts", now did they? P.S. Somebody said something about adult swim being a block for adults (in a sense that kids shouldn't be allowed to watch it). I just want to say that in my opinion Adult Swim doesen't really live up to that. |
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They turned into a kiddy show for Toonami. 
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