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Blanchimont
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Not all doujinshi is hentai. Granted, a lot is. |
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Rederoin
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Not all Doujins are fanfictions. Not all Doujins are hentai. |
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dan9999
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Again this BS...
Anyone know how long it took until ignorant people and industries stopped saying video tapes were killing movies or radio was killing music? Guess until you can blame it on the next GIGANTIC technological advance. I would like it to revert back to the 90s, and lets see how many of this so called "artists" would actually be artists, maybe famous and not to mention getting sales... Oh so evil internet and sharers! In 2014 this is nothing but laughable, ignorance is bliss, you can expect the "lies" from big corps, the big copyright holders but from people is nothing but ignorance. So in their twisted minds, 10x more downloads that sales...100 sales 1000 downloads. How much I would love that to be 10 sales and 0 downloads, that would be those artists ideal world then. Instead of their ignorant whining, those artists should be thinking of why those people downloading are not buying..at that time least, as they would probably buy another work from the artiest at some point and its a small percentage that would not buy anything ever... There are many independent studies (i.w not paid by copyright holders to reflect their twisted minds) all concluding most of those evil sharers are often the best buyers too. I would like this kind of ignorant statement broken down, from those downloads how many are from overseas fans that have no way to buy anyway for multiple reasons, one of then landing in jail...second from the rest that are in japan they should also make a proper study to reflect how many have bought in the past from the artists and how many would probably buy again or in the near future another work and then the real number that have never and will never buy from the artist. Not even a nice try trying to make it sound so alarming... Last edited by dan9999 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:37 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Nemui_Nezumi
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[quote="Soundmonkey44"]"People are stealing the porno I made of this anime character I like! How dare they!" XD. Can't say I really feel sorry for the guy.
If he was making an actual indie comic he might get some sympathy, but don't feel bad for some random guy making money off of pornographic fan fics. :lol:[/quote] "pornographic fanfic" or not, those persons has the complete right to be frustated over this there's no worse thing than your work being stolen |
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Soundmonkey44
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True. However many are. :p |
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Nayu
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You should look up the word irony in the dictionary. 
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Nemui_Nezumi
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@Nayu I don't think I need it
but thanks for the advice |
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mdo7
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I wouldn't be surprised even if he put up evidence backing his support.
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games2007
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Yeah, there are some good doujin/hentai artists that release original works, not using the characters from other series. I can imagine that they might be upset by the realization.
Well, time to look up this artist... HAH, and he's doing Touhou doujins. What a crime it is that more people aren't legitimately obtaining his works. |
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maximilianjenus
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the only lost sale is a lost sale, meaning that the only illegal downloads that he should feel hurt about are the ones of people who originally wanted to buy his doujin but opted to download instead, that would hardly double his sales.
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walw6pK4Alo
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Not hard to believe. A good artist can come to Comiket with 5,000-10,000 copies of a book and easily get 100k+ downloads over a year's time, AND in multiple languages (English, Thai, Chinese, Korean, Spanish, German, Portuguese, etc). The physical books can only be printed and sold so many times, but digital copies can be endlessly copied. And yeah, a lot of these do get sold online digitally at places like dlsite, but they tend to add extra censorship.
For Takemori Shintarou specifically, his EH gallery only has 13,131 visits so far. But doujinshi collectors know that actually owning the book is the most important thing, not getting it for free online; some artists are hot and sell out, some don't. The majority of us don't have easy access to the books and have to rely on intermediaries, so it really is a Japan-specific problem first and foremost. You printed 5,000 copies for Comiket, but your international audience may be several times that size. I wonder how western independent artists feel about that, since they rarely have any kind of audience. Last edited by walw6pK4Alo on Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Asterisk-CGY
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So ya know what might make this suck less? If these folks could take donations from the downloaders. No one is going to try and get anything through customs, especially adult work. And ya know what else? All these circles that make these translations of these things? Bum their translations and sell those on whatever online store you have.
And one more thing, since ANN is pretty darn staunch on their anti-piracy viewpoint, do we have any tweets of other artists who that are positive about this kind of situation, or at least ambivalent? |
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Banken
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'the f%ck do they expect? They're making hardcore erotic parodies of copyrighted works and selling them for profit. In any other developed country that would get your ass sued off. They should count their lucky stars the worse that happens is that people would never, ever buy a doujin to begin with still have a chance to see their work.
If they want to quit they should quit. Or create original stories. |
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Asterisk-CGY
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Though, there is a good list of original works I'm sure more folks download than get bought. |
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Melanchthon
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This is really the fault of poor capitalization of demand. Doujinshi are produced in small quantities, and sold in only handful of places even in Japan, while demand is worldwide. Add to the fact that doujin often fall afoul of obscenty laws, and even if you offered sell worldwide, you could never ship to most places. (By strange quirks of US law, one can own and read the worst hentai doujin in the privacy of one's house, but shipping or carrying across state/federal lines could get you arrested under an obscenity charge). This is not the creators fault, and they are right to complain about lost sales (although given most doujin are copyright violations to begin with gives little moral ground) but until the supply side problems are sorted out, ain't nothing going to change.
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. Can't say I really feel sorry for the guy.
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