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Plasmaeclipse
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I really don't know how to feel about this series. I just get a consistent feel of been there done that in many respects. The fine details are very different but so far Ange is giving off similar vibes as Code Geass. I'm not really sure what I was expecting out of this other than robots fighting dragons, and even then the hideous CG robots, blood and mook dragons killed any enthusiasm for that. The giant dragon looked cool at least but I do like a bit of mecha porn so the lack of weight and depth to the robots really kills it for me on the action front.
On the character front I don't like anyone at all not even for a second. Everything was just so over overwrought I was just emotionally drained by the end and not in a good way. Ange's initial framing is she is a kinda a smug darwinist princes where she should be the pinnicle of their people and the fact that she couldn't save her teammate from imminent death AND win her stupid lacrosse game had her angsting about how she needs to be awesome AND perfect I couldn't bring myself to care after that.spoiler[ The baby incarceration and her whole darwinist Normas aren't human speech was ment only to make her fall OH SO IRONIC]. This is where I draw the Code Geass comparisons all the themes and drama and characters are always amped to 11. Everything is always in your face Ange has her haughty smug superiority, Her evil bother is all creepy and scheming and when he was caressing the little sister after Ange's fall is creepier than it should have been and he looked kinda rapey for a sceond with the way he was talking and the look on his face ugh. And then of course there's spoiler[ EEEVIIIL lesbian dominatrix commander and how she SO CRUELLY beat Ange and then stripped her down for their invasive cavity search. This scene was so disgusting, framed in a very sexual manner, and just the imagry of being chained to a table ass out and the lingering show of her naked body as she's crying in the credits she was raped there is no arguing this. Whatever the actual procedure in the context of what they want us to feel as an audience she was raped the scene was completely built and framed as a rape.] I guess Sunrise tired of being "subtle". Code Geass took 2 season before it got a kinda rapey scene. Valvrave had full blown rape but that took 10 episodes to go there. Now I guess they decided to drop the pretenses and throw their obligatory rape scene right in the beginning. I dunno if I can muster up enough energy and emotion to last the 3 episode rule. The only thing that can possibly keep me going for at least that long is Nana Mizuki as Ange and even then they somehow managed to make her singing, which I like, feel overwrought and pretentious. I don't even feel particularly angry, despite my rambling, I'm just kind of drained and I can't muster the energy to care. |
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Vaisaga
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To be fair it's not out of place considering the context. For a commander it's important that their subordinants "know their place." Ange no longer has human rights and that was the best way to hammer that home. Also, it's important to destroy who she once was in order to mold her into the type of soldier required to do the job. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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Yeah that spoiler[rape scene] can only be justified within the anime.They take everything away from her so that her character has no way but up to go. At the end of the episode she is for all intents and purposes a totally new character. I hope she goes full revenge mode on everyone but I bet it won't end that way. More is the pity. 
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DuskyPredator
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Except it seems that her opinions match the cast majority of the citizens. You can't quite blame a single person for holding terrible ideas when it seems imbedded in their culture, you can see some pretty messed up stuff in history. Rather than just seeing it as a bad person getting what they deserve, it really can be seen for a character to grow, which many series try too hard to make a character likable in the first place. I don't get what you mean about the other spoiler[Norma being an "evil lesbian"]. Ange had spent her life looking down on the Norma, she was spoiler[within the top of a society that removed all rights of a section of people, I can see how a member of that class would be unapologetically rough]. We have not even seen what they go through, but clearly their spirit is meant to be broken. |
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Plasmaeclipse
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I guess I just didn't care to actually think about it. I stopped actually registering the things happening on screen after a while because I felt like I was just watching Code Geass or Valvrave again and it became really loud noise and bland images after a while. It has the same overbearing writing style that just numbs my senses. I personally feel like reading into it to any degree is already giving this too much credit. It's the same plot ideas, the same writing style and the same direction as Valvrave and Geass Sunrise is writing the same series with a new skin and it's not worth thinking about anymore. |
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Vaisaga
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About the only commonality is that Geass and Ange both star former royalty. Other than that and robots they're not that similar. |
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Bugnin
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This honestly didn't remind me at all of code geass. This sets up to be a bit of a riches-to-rags redemption story for Ange while Lelouch started at the bottom and slowly rose to power. The ex-royalty angle is really the one and only parallel.
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Plasmaeclipse
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I didn't mean the fine details I mean the writing style, the execution and direction and the overall tone is exactly the same to me. The fine details may be different but overall they feel like the same show. There's big political drama, magical powers for no reason (they could have easily framed Ange's story without magic it's just there like the geass and whatever the hell went on in Valvrave and while I can think of a way to justify it I doubt they'll go the route of the dagons and magic being connected being that's too obvious), Everyone comes off as insane and evil because everyone in the world is a douche. It's the same style of show and I can't get over it. Code Geass had the good sense to be completely flamboyant and over the top. There were insane plans speechifying all over the place everyone was loud and in your face with how evil they were it was fun to enjoy ironically. Here everyone is grim faced, dark and manages to make one of my favorite Seiyuu boring. I'll stick around to see if they can at least manage to make the concept of Dragons vs Angel Robots exciting but given how they had to keep injecting pointless political drama in what should have been an over the top super robot series I doubt it. I just wanted to watch something simple and fun and it seems sunrise can't do that. They all have to be in the same style as Code Geass or Valvrave with the pointless political crap, unexplained powers, and completely unlikable characters.
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12skippy21
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Considering I went into this after just reading the ANN episode reviews they made it sound a lot worse than it was. Though I do always enjoy a forced realisation of what your beliefs truly mean when the boot is on the other foot. A lot of politicans could learn from such an act.
While the show has enticed me in the same way has Blood- stated, though I am less bothered by the fanservice, I cannot help but think we will all learn the true meaning of friendship by the end and to be respectful towards each other. Shows that attempt the "darker adult themes" do have a habit of trying to create positive endings. Currently this reminds me more of Freezing than Code Geass. |
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Beltane70
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I'm really interested to see what the older brother's motivations are for betraying his family. I hope that it's not something as petty as just wanting the throne for himself.
Actually, now that I think of it, Ange being a Norma and not being able to use mana is probably what's responsible for spoiler[the younger sister being bound to a wheelchair,] giving the brother a reason to get back at his sister and parents for keeping the secret. I'm definitely loving the mecha designs for this series. While it's not the first time, I find it pretty interesting that the mecha controls are fully based on motorcycle controls, even down to shifting gears when accelerating. |
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Vaisaga
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He also wants to bone his sister. Sunrise seems to like their wheelchair bound imoutos. I have no problems with this. |
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Yttrbio
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... is he betraying his family? I mean, obviously he is, because the show screams at me that I'm supposed to think that, but... within the context of his society, he does seem to be in the right.
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Rensie
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Unfortunately i noticed a male character near the princess in the opening so i will expect romance. 
Mpf, you should already know, they like to exagerate these things just to attract more haters and defenders of the real women, so they gain more clicks, vistors and money from the banners, is not the first nor the last anime/news/article where they do this, even if they don't really believe what they wrote at all. I can be wrong but every season there is ever something that come out and bashed. Anyway, the show seems a mix from Code Geass and My Hime, but i admit, i like dark shows from Sunrise, if they remove the dark scenes there is nothing left, just the same evil brother and the fallen princess already see elsewhere. |
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Angel M Cazares
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I like big boobs, I mean, I loved this first episode. I know that the content is going to be ridiculous and sensationalist, but I am ready for 25 minutes of mindless fun every Sunday morning.
I had a hunch that Cross Ange could be a spiritual of Valvrave, but I am very impressed by the craziness and creepiness. I have high hopes for spoiler[the evil brother, and the last scene was epic.] I was going to wait for the daily streaming review, but I had to express my initial impression, and read what others think. I agree with Plasmaeclipse that Cross Ange has a similar vibe to Code Geass.
I congratulate you for this great way to describe the captivating appeal of this show. |
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DuskyPredator
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I will admit that there was an aspect that reminded me of Code Geass, and that would be the way the royal family looks. There is one in a wheelchair. But really that does not mean any part of the story feels like a copy of CG, the main themes with Ange feels very different.
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