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NEWS: NTV's ZIP! Show Airs 1st Look at Live-Action Attack on Titan Films


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shterraarson



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:06 am Reply with quote
kazunya wrote:
...The only explanation I can come up with is that they were scared of not being able to find an actor the general public would approve of or something like that.

But yeah, I'm not exactly excited for this, but I still want to have actually seen it before deciding if it's good or bad.


Totally agree. Those are some pretty epic shoes to fill and I suppose I feel about this the same way I might feel about the proposed Legend of Zelda Netflix series, "emotionally and spiritually conflicted".
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:34 pm Reply with quote
I don't find anything amazing about this preview yet
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:15 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
Because I've seen other Asian films (ie: South Korea, and Mainland China) having CGI and visual that can match with Hollywood. I remember reading that Hollywood was amazed by South Korea's CG. Also another issue is that Japan couldn't up the budget to get Hollywood cast when South Korea's Snowpiercer and the Mainland Chinese film, Dragon Blade was able to get Hollywood cast like Adrien Brody and John Cusack is in that film.

Eh, not sure if you're serious about this. The only one film with relatively small budget which was on par with Hollywood blockbusters in terms of CGI and visuals I ever saw is District 9 and it was produced by Peter Jackson. Plus, Brody and Cusack aren't A-list actors anymore, hell they could've easily get Nick Cage to play in this film.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:21 pm Reply with quote
EricJ2 wrote:

Aside from the occasional entry in the Best Foreign Language Oscars, Japanese cinema isn't exactly....subtle.
Film and anime-feature directors try too hard in showing that they're not doing commercial TV fare, their taste for humor can be a bit goofy (but we know that Smile ), and their taste for drama has a 600-year history of being melodramatic.
And that's leaving the budget and SFX issues aside.

We accept it in anime, since the "real world" problems aren't as glaring (although non-Ghibli has a problem with the mainstream, since features are so determined to be "art"), but with live-action, seems to be only the period features where we buy the earnestness and humorlessness of the acting, since we just naturally assume they were all like that back then.


Well EricJ2, what you describe is what this Variety article has brought up before:

Mark Shilling of Variety wrote:
The way that films are made in Japan may be to blame.

Most commercial films are produced by TV networks and other media companies in a system of “production committees” (or seisaku iinkai) in which partners share investment, PR and other chores in return for a share of the profits. Six or eight partners, ranging from video distributors to radio broadcasters and advertising agencies, is common. And 12 partners is not uncommon.

A lot of these so-called producers (on the production committee) are not film people and don’t know how to read a script,” adds Inoue. “In a film you can say a lot without words, but these guys don’t get that. And when they say ‘I don’t understand,’ someone has to add explanations to the script. The film becomes longer — and more boring.

Another reason for the bloat in Japanese commercial films, says Inoue, is their origin in material from other media, including door-stopper bestsellers and long-running comics. “The publishers have too much power,” he explains. “They demand faithfulness (to the original material) and no one tries to fight them.” It didn’t always used to be this way, he adds. “Directors used to have fierce battles with creators (of original material), but that’s no longer the case. Everyone is just trying to get along.”

Japanese audiences, typically a patient group, will show up for long-winded, defanged pics, but foreign audiences are less tolerant. “These self-censored films have never been accepted by the overseas market,” says Takamatsu. “The free creativity seen in films by Miike, Kitano, Sono and others has produced better results overseas.

While some argue that with such a big domestic market, the Japanese biz can afford to regard foreign sales as simply the mint after the banquet, Takashi Nishimura, who as managing director of UniJapan is responsible for promoting Japanese film abroad thinks differently.

“(The Japanese film industry feels) a sense of crisis that the domestic market is no longer enough,” Nishimura said last year at the Intl. Film Festival of India in Goa. “But Japanese films are made only for Japanese.



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MajorZero wrote:

Eh, not sure if you're serious about this. The only one film with relatively small budget which was on par with Hollywood blockbusters in terms of CGI and visuals I ever saw is District 9 and it was produced by Peter Jackson. Plus, Brody and Cusack aren't A-list actors anymore, hell they could've easily get Nick Cage to play in this film.


I'm comparing Japanese current film production to their neighbors (ie: South Korea and Mainland China). I mean have you ever watch any of the film from South Korea and Mainland China, they made film (in term of production values, and special effect) that can hold candle to Hollywood standard.

Oh and District 9's budget was about $30 million the last time I checked, that's pretty much on par with any Hollywood film.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:40 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
I'm comparing Japanese current film production to their neighbors (ie: South Korea and Mainland China). I mean have you ever watch any of the film from South Korea and Mainland China, they made film (in term of production values, and special effect) that can hold candle to Hollywood standard.

I have, even 80+ million dollars chinese flicks like The Monkey King can't hold a candle to Hollywood's output from 5-6 years ago. Snowpiercer has minimum CGI and it's (CGI) not that great. Same goes for Roaring Currents, Sector 7, Tidal Wave etc.
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Oh and District 9's budget was about $30 million the last time I checked, that's pretty much on par with any Hollywood film.

What? So, it's on par with Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, Man of Steel, Transformers, and pretty much every summer blockbuster released in past 30 years? I need your weed buddy.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:02 pm Reply with quote
MajorZero wrote:

I have, even 80+ million dollars chinese flicks like The Monkey King can't hold a candle to Hollywood's output from 5-6 years ago. Snowpiercer has minimum CGI and it's (CGI) not that great. Same goes for Roaring Currents, Sector 7, Tidal Wave etc.


The Monkey King is an exception and a big mess. But I've seen Chinese film that looks way better like Drug War and Red Cliff. Try watching Ode to my father, that one is also very good on par with Roaring Currents. Also try watching the Suspect (that one blew my mind in term of storyline), to be honest when I see both Korean and Chinese films coming out, there's no way Japanese film industry can hold up to it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:10 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
The Monkey King is an exception and a big mess. But I've seen Chinese film that looks way better like Drug War and Red Cliff. Try watching Ode to my father, that one is also very good on par with Roaring Currents. Also try watching the Suspect, to be honest when I see both Korean and Chinese films coming out, there's no way Japanese film industry can hold up to it.

I was referring to quality of visual effects, not quality of films themselves. Also, sorry if I sounded like an ass with the weed part, that was a joke. I saw Red Cliff and Drug War. Usually people don't talk about VFX in historical dramas and crime thrillers. Japanese cinema still has Koreeda, Miike, Kitano, Iwai and even Sono (I hate 99% of his films, but he have a small cult dedicated to his work in the West).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:29 pm Reply with quote
MajorZero wrote:

I was referring to quality of visual effects, not quality of films themselves. Also, sorry if I sounded like an ass with the weed part, that was a joke. I saw Red Cliff and Drug War. Usually people don't talk about VFX in historical dramas and crime thrillers. Japanese cinema still has Koreeda, Miike, Kitano, Iwai and even Sono (I hate 99% of his films, but he have a small cult dedicated to his work in the West).


Well I'm not only talking about visual quality. I mean I never see Japanese film that can hold candle to their Korean and Chinese counterpart when it comes production value, and cinema "epicness" (long time ago, Japanese films did use to surpass Korean and Chinese film but now that has changed). I'm not sure if the live-action Attack on Titan will look good. Now it's hard for me to find news about Japanese films unlike their Korean and Chinese counterpart. As I mention, a lot of Japanese films don't come out in the west (as in I can find a few recent Japanese films on Hulu, Dramafever has none at all so far beside some J-drama catalog) so I can't compare how good they are in term of production value and standard. As far as I know, I can't find Japanese films that can hold candle to these films:

The Tower

The Flu

Gangnam Blues 1970

We may have the director you mention but I don't think the Japanese film industry has enough to come up with innovative, and more higher budget films from Japan.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:31 pm Reply with quote
pachy_boy wrote:
Lord Dcast wrote:
Dear whoever is making this movie. Please hurry up and release this now.

Big-time second that!
I'll third this. I wasn't really interested in the property in any previous iterations (manga or anime) so any changes will be lost on me and I'm all the happier for it.

pachy_boy wrote:
It also doesn't bother me that the characters will be played by Japanese actors--considering this is a Japanese-made movie, what does anyone expect?
Dear god, THISx1000. So tired of this already.

mdo7 wrote:
As I mention, a lot of Japanese films don't come out in the west (as in I can find a few recent Japanese films on Hulu, Dramafever has none at all so far beside some J-drama catalog) so I can't compare how good they are in term of production value and standard.
...And yet this is precisely what you keep doing?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:54 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
We may have the director you mention but I don't think the Japanese film industry has enough to come up with innovative, and more higher budget films from Japan.

I tell you what, go and find some films directed by Yoji Yamada, Hirokazu Koreeda, Shinya Tsukamoto, Takashi Miike (preferably something on the level of The Bird People of China and 13 Assassins), Kiyoshi Kurosawa (his usual style is a bit strange, but you can try Tokyo Sonata) and Tetsuya Nakashima. You can also try Survive Style 5+, Admiral Yamamoto (if you like historical dramas) and tons of other things I can't remember right now. It's true that most of the mainstream films from Japan are rather cheap, but saying they can't hold a candle to Korea and China is a bit far fetched.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:40 pm Reply with quote
I think some of you are getting a bit too off topic with the debates on Chinese, Korean and Japanese live action movies. This thread is for the discussion of the live action AOT movie. So how about we all get back on topic here please. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:50 pm Reply with quote
Psycho 101 wrote:
I think some of you are getting a bit too off topic with the debates on Chinese, Korean and Japanese live action movies. This thread is for the discussion of the live action AOT movie. So how about we all get back on topic here please. Thank you.


I took the conversation via PM, so there won't be anymore off-topic discussion over the film comparison.
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