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Hiroki not Takuya
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Guys, let's not start all this again. Was the review good/fair/accurate? I'd say yes to all. However, if you haven't seen the thing yet, you might check out parts on CR or Funi before committing to the buy as there were issues that some like myself couldn't get past while others did and loved it (and continue to be apologists for BTW). I submit that for me personally, I've rewatched Death March several times but haven't even been tempted to rewatch any of Franxx once since the original airing (and I watched them all once)...
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Kicksville
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It's no more or less cheap than calling Garzey's Wing, everyone's favorite punching bag, the worst ever. Here, simple: Garzey's Wing is, if you ask me, much better than Franxx. If nothing else, it's far shorter, which immediately makes it better because it wastes far less of your time. |
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nargun
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In fact, key factor in japanese birthrates is low rates of unwed mothers by international standards; Franxx's approach ain't gonna fix that, obviously.
https://twitter.com/tgrayeb/status/1121562789556948992 [although I'm reminded of Eureka 7 AO, where what was obviously originally intended to be a thoughtful reflection on alternate solutions to japan's political problems got screwed over by executive meddling so badly that the crew just said "fudge it". It's possible something similar happened with Franxx...] |
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Key
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Really? While I can't see Franxx becoming one of my regular rewatches, I'd watch it a third time (yes, messy second half and all) before sitting through the tedium of Death March a second time. But to each his own, I guess. |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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^^ That's why I couched my opinion that way. An explanation germane to Franxx as well is that simple things have fewer ways to "go wrong" while more complex things have exponentially more ways to "go wrong". Death March I found enjoyable because it was a simple, fun show that knew what (one thing) it wanted to portray and did so with reasonable skill.
Franxx on the other hand tried to address a number of plot points with some level of complexity and seemed to be trying for commentary about society, etc. etc. and in the end "went south". Because of the myriad problems, I found only a couple of episodes enjoyable enough to revisit (during the original run) so after the finale in space...I really never wanted to see the mess again. In an odd way, it didn't help that the production values were so high overall (good songs too) because it was visually enjoyable to watch... P.S. for those interested in checking Franxx out, the first few episodes were intriguing and promised much that IMO never got delivered, so I believe Ep12 and Ep20 need to be considered before a decision unless you take Wyvern's advice and pretend Ep12 was the end if you can... |
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Key
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While I can understand the issues that some have had with the last half, I also think it gets unfairly ragged on and wasn't as much of a disaster as some have claimed.
But I'll reserve further comment on that for the second half's review, which I actually look forward to getting a chance to do. |
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zrnzle500
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See, I don't think that's enough, even putting aside my disagreements about it being a waste of time. I think to be the worst, a show needs to fail more thoroughly, in almost every aspect and in some cases ways we could not imagine beforehand. However one feels about the story, visually Franxx is nowhere near the worst and I think generally very good (though not the best, of its year or ever). Now, I've not seen all of Garzey's Wing, so I couldn't say it was the worst myself, but from what I have seen and what I have heard from various people who have reviewed it, Garzey does indeed fail almost across the board, and that consensus has stood the test of time, which is what I think can fairly be said to be historically bad, a level I don't believe Franxx meets, even if I had disliked it. |
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Vadara
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My favorite thing about this show is that when it ends, you realize that Literally Nothing Happened. You just wasted your time being strung along for 24 episodes in hopes of some cool-ass final act that just doesn't happen. There's no sense of going on a cool adventure like Kill La Kill and Gurren Lagann, and yes, I know Trigger only produced a few episodes, but it's clearly a show in the same mold as it and its progenitor Gainax's work, and thus I feel like I can judge it on that front. Hell, it doesn't even have the social commentary or tact of Eva.
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Kicksville
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Ehh. I mean, we're talking about what qualifies as hyperbole here. I don't think someone declaring it to be that bad is any more or less fair than someone calling another anime they watched and hated that bad - but, yes, I think Franxx got hit harder than other shows simply because more people watched it, so in that sense, I suppose I get it. ...buuuuut on that note, it is admittedly a personal pet peeve that Garzey's Wing gets brought up as the baseline for "bad" when its status is basically a meme at this point, lifted largely by people who have seen little to nothing of it. I mean, doesn't THAT more deserve to be called hyperbole? Credit where it's due, watching part of it is still better in my book than people going around calling it the worst ever only after watching a dubbed clip compilation on YouTube. |
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zrnzle500
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Only if it doesn't match the hype, and I have no reason to believe that Garzey's Wing does not. To use the example of another show often nominated as the worst of all time, Chargeman Ken (which I have seen in full) if anything exceeded my expectations of its badness, after hearing about from Mike Toole's column, among others. I do disagree with those who would definitively claim something is the worst or use it as a baseline for badness when they haven't seen it themselves, but I think that is a different problem than hyperbole. To wit, Franxx is I think nowhere near the disaster that some try and make it out to be, which is why you don't see people going around encouraging people to watch it to see how bad it is, unlike let's say the "classics" in this regard, both older titles as mentioned earlier and newer ones, like Hand Shakers. |
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johnnysasaki
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it certainly has a much less insufferable pieces of shit fandom than Voltron. but hey,this anime promotes heternormativity and and if you buy this,you are an evil person.Certain ANN folks said so,so it must be truth! |
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meiam
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There's value in being really bad (so good its bad), this means that paradoxically a 1/10 show is more interesting to watch than a 3/10 show, which is merely bad.
I'd also argue that some really small project with little money and talent attached to it turning out bad is not very surprising. On the other hand, a show with plenty of big name attached to it, and considerable budget/marketing, turning out bad is more surprising. The expectation of something being good will "enhance" the disappointment and make it seems worse than it is. Franxx also wore it's inspiration on it's sleeves, it wasn't trying to do anything radically different, it was using well traveled path. They managed to get lost despite map charting the exact course they were walking (evangelion, gurren lagan and so on), which is quite a bit embarrassing. So overall it's not "the worst anime ever", but it may be the worst anime you could make with these resources available to you, or at least a very poor showing. |
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Mr. sickVisionz
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I hope the second set includes the behind the scenes episode that aired.
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JustinTaco
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The only impressive thing about Franxx is its ability to introduce new plot threads and immediately forget them with impressive speed.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Putting aside the controversies, the biggest problem I had with Franxx isn't that it's the worst anime ever but it had the problem of being overly bland. It had interesting enough ideas to get you start watching but never followed through with them in a way that was compelling enough to me to make the watch worth it. On the other hand, it didn't feel like it was bad enough to be "so bad it's good" either. Part of me though is curious to finish the second half one day just because the weird stuff in the later episodes that everyone complains about actually sounds more interesting because it at least is doing something different then.
Even animation wise, while it was always visually competent, it never does anything interesting enough to me with it's animation to interest me on that level either, other than the mechas and Zero Two's designs. Zero Two, Ichigo and Mitsuru were the most interesting characters but everyone else felt under-developed to me. The episode about Zero Two's past was probably the highlight for the series for me but it doesn't maintain that momentum going further. I wouldn't call it the worst anime ever (not when Hand Shakers exists), I can see why a lot of fans like it, especially if they're younger fans who didn't grow up with the mecha classics. But if you've been around anime fandom a long time, it's hard to get invested in something that just feels like something you've already seen done a lot of times before and in better ways. In terms of Eva clones, I liked Rahxephon better even though it has a lot of detractors itself. |
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