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NEWS: 4 Convicted in Pirate Bay File-Sharing Trial, Appeals Planned

Fredrik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Peter Sunde Kolmisoppi and Carl Kolmisoppi each face one year in prison and 30 million kronor (about US$3.6 million) in damages.

While the court did not agree with the plaintiff’s exaggerated estimates of losses, it still set the damages at 30 million SEK ($3,620,000). This a hugely significant amount and the court has ordered that the four should pay this amount between them.

Sorry. Accessory to copyright infringment by promotion . Is that better? Thinking of working for the appeal lawyers then?

Yep. Those 4 got exactly what they deserved for running a site legally in Sweden. It's Napster 2009.
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Sorry but I don't think so. ANN has many many measures in place to prevent that sort of thing.

They go out of their way to be legit. And even if by chance something slipped through(which I have never seen happen), the industry would be out of there mind to try to win a case against them when they have active controls in place to prevent that very exact thing.

It would be laughed out of court the first day, and any error would be deemed an honest mistake.

You seem to be taking some kind of joy in insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you as not 'understanding the implications'.

But if you can't tell the difference between what The Pirate Bay does and what ANN does then who should feel sorry for whom?

The two aren't comparable when talking about copyright infringements. Not even a little. And your using fear mongering to try to gloss over the bigger issue of aiding and abetting copyright infringement.

Look we are all sorry your favorite website has chance of being shut down(it is still up btw), but all that really means is it will be a little harder to find illegal downloads.

Don't worry all of your favorite legal downloads will still be very easy to find.

And the RIAA is also a completely different example.

Hardgear wrote:

And the RIAA is also a completely different example.

The RIAA most certainly is not different here.

In fact, here's a partial plaintiff list:
Universal, Warner Bros., MGM, EMI, Sony BMG and 20th Century Fox, all of which are jointly represented in the trial by the IFPI.

Show me, in that list, a single business not represented by the RIAA.

The plaintiffs, my friend, are the owners of "the obsolete and dying publishing industry".

How in the world did you miss this?

But this is changing every day. Fair Use is being obliterated.

Copyright is to protect both creators and users.

I can link you to sources which contradict this statement. Want them?

You seem to be under the impression TPB posts files. They don't. They never have. All they do is read from computers to list download options, and then give its users a direct connect to them.

Sure, at $1.30 per song, $2.99 per TV episode, no movie streams anywhere, and over paying for a round piece of plastic.

*sigh* stupid torrent kiddies......

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But this is changing every day. Fair Use is being obliterated.

Yeah, because Fair Use = if I don't like the price, I can pirate it instead of, iunno, just not buying it.

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Copyright is to protect both creators and users.

2 words, iPhone Jailbreaking.

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I can link you to sources which contradict this statement. Want them?

Only if they come from sources that don't have the word torrent in thier name....

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You seem to be under the impression TPB posts files. They don't. They never have. All they do is read from computers to list download options, and then give its users a direct connect to them.

This is NOT how torrents work, The pirate bay indexes torrent files, which are just a hash that happens to equate to a list of files, that is the extent of a trackers involvement.

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Sure, at $1.30 per song, $2.99 per TV episode, no movie streams anywhere, and over paying for a round piece of plastic.

perish the thought?!?!?

TPB's death will just be offset by another way, just as Kazaa, LimeWire...etc replaced Napster.

But, worth noting here is two things, torrents are not illegal, they can be used for legal things too (WoW uses it, the FOSS community uses it.....), and secondly, the "warez scene" never intended to have their releases on p2p, in fact most of them despise p2p for this very reason.....

So why doesn't Google get sued? They save the torrent files in their cache from where you can dl them.

The fact is that these guys most likely will never spend a single day in jail. Only one of the guys, Carl Lundström, has the money and that's only because he owns other businesses or sth. As one of the guys said: "Even if I'd have the money, I'd rather burn it than give it to them".

That said, the way of the copyright mafia to calculate their losses is completely bogus. Seriously they calculate 1DL=1lost sale IRL. WTF?!
Who has enough money to even fill their 16 gb player with bought music?

Google doesn't openly mock Cease and Desist letters publicly.... even though I personally found TPBs replies amusing, its kinda like mooning the cops after you got away with a ticket.

Because if you index everything, then you're not held responsible for catching some illegal materials in with the rest of the Internet. If you index copyright violations specifically (see the season-by-season list of TV show torrents I pointed out earlier), the courts get less understanding.

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Because if you index everything, then you're not held responsible for catching some illegal materials in with the rest of the Internet. If you index copyright violations specifically (see the season-by-season list of TV show torrents I pointed out earlier), the courts get less understanding.

But TPB doesn't index only copyrighted material. They only index the torrent files, which their users submit to the site. I just can't see why the TPB should be punished for the actions of the users.