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Echo_City
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It's shameful that Japan is still playing around with <1080p resolutions. That said, 720*480 (dvd resolution) is 345,000 pixels. What exactly is "540p"? Is it qHD (960*540; 518,400 pixels)? Is it another term for 1080i (1920*540; 1036800 pixels)? Those are some serious differences....? I ask because I'm unfamiliar with a 16:9 resolution with 540 rows of pixels but only 60 more columns of pixels than DVD resolution. |
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potatochobit
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japan isn't the only one that does this
you think xbob 360 games are in full HD? absolutely not, most are even less than 720 even most PS3 games fake it and are just upscaling the screen size i'm pretty sure many american broadcast stations are still airing in 720 I'm assuming most ghibli films are in full HD wolf and spice might be, im not sure |
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ZodiacBeast
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Is there any place or some way that I can easily learn what resolutions are used for what show? I think it would be pretty interesting to know what was used for the shows that I like and would help me in this sort of situation (choosing DVD vs BD).
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FlamingFirewire
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I only say this because after seeing seeing the DVDs (at 480p) on a 46-inch TV, and then seeing what the BDs looks like on the same screen, I could not see a discernible difference. If the DVD is mastered well (like the majority of FUNi DVD releases), they will look almost the exact same as an upscale will on a big screen. Taking into account the built-in upscaler on BD players, most players can upscale very close to the same quality as a "pre-done" upscale. While Index II did air in HD, it is undoubtedly an upscale from 560p to 1080p - a similar situation to how (from what I've heard) the JPN BDs for Steins;gate were plagued by some unfortunate video issues. Just because a series aired in HD does not necessarily guarantee that the show was actually animated in "HD". Honestly though, I don't know what you mean by interlacing issues. Unless you're talking about some of the craptastic video presentation that Media Blasters put together for their DVD releases, I have never seen those kinds of issues with FUNimation DVD releases. Those kinds of issues are based in a number of factors, but it all depends on who is actually mastering the discs and the quality of the masters sent to the production company. While Index II DVDs would technically be an "inferior" product, the difference in video quality would be negligible at best. You could make an argument that having the show on BD would mean possibly gaining a Lossless audio track, but there would be little difference in video quality. tl;dr - It would be nice to get BDs for Index II (DVD/BD combo back FUNi?), but from my own experience with this show, I wouldn't lose any sleep over missing out on the BDs for this season. |
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FlamingFirewire
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Usually blu ray websites/forums have that kind of information, but this question must be perfect for what Justin looks for on Answerman - he might be able to have a better insight into all of the more technical side of things than we would. EDIT: Also, not related to the resolution question, but something interesting that comes to mind when talking about how anime is produced: http://washiblog.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/anime-production-detailed-guide-to-how-anime-is-made-and-the-talent-behind-it/ |
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configspace
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This 540p myth keeps on being perpetrated, without any proof whatsoever. You absolutely cannot determine original resolution post-production. It's simply impossible. The same was said about Bleach when they moved to HD broadcasts. It turns out, like most titles, it uses mixed asset or different digital cell/layer production resolution, but nonetheless the maximum resolution used for Bleach is actually..... wait for it, 1080p for backgrounds. This was relayed through CR through an official rep (TV Tokyo / Studio Pierrot) Let's try a test, with another old J.C. Staff title: Twin Angel TV. Here, there is concrete proof from behind the scenes footage interview about the resolution they used for production. But without looking it up, do you still think it's 540p? 720p? Last edited by configspace on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:28 am; edited 1 time in total |
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mgosdin
Posts: 1302 Location: Kissimmee, Florida, USA |
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This is where all the BD vs DVD discussions end up, Near Perfect VS Good Enough. A well mastered DVD on a modern upscaling player is Good Enough for most purposes. If your screen is not bigger than 40" or so then DVD and BD don't seem to be all that different. What this means in general is that BD does not sell as well as it seems like it should and DVD isn't declining in the market in quite the way that it might have been expected to do. I've not watched any of the Index / Railgun series, but now that there will be a complete run available I will put it on the buy list. Mark Gosdin |
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Dan297na
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Just because you are ok with supporting an outdated dying format, don't expect other people to be ok with it. I'm not buying anything that has dumbed down quality, regardless of how minor the change is. If funi doesn't think it's financially worth it to put out a Blu Ray, I can understand that. However, I will feel no obligation to buy it on an outdated format. |
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Shiroi Hane
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FUNimation announced Index and Railgun 2 years after Geneon USA closed. They were not included in the distribution deal (which happened before Index started airing). The Geneon/universal merger caused the delay, but has nothing to do with what extras were included.
I first came across the term for Fullmetal Alchemist, which was determined by anibin analysis to have a maximum level of detail of 960x540 pixels. Don't ask me how the analysis works, I don't know.
Backgrounds are a completely different process to the cells. They could be natural media, computer drawn or full CGI. Doesn't stop the actual animation being matted on top from having jaggies.
here is a document from the Satellite production Kiddy Girl-and that details the resolutions used by the Shiage department when scanning. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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Some shows being 540p doesn't mean all still are. I believe the Nyaruko sequel and Henneko were determined to be 1080p.
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Thatguy3331
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*Looks at all the dvd/blu-ray scale talk*
...uh...YEAH THEY GOT THE MOVIE TOO! AWESOME! |
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Zalis116
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Though I'm going to guess, as with most complaints of this nature, that the response will be "Well I don't know what they should've done and I don't have any better ideas, but I'm going to be indignant anyway."
1) The Blu-Rays are overly blurry or otherwise subpar in their mastering. 2) There's no perceivable difference between 720p and 1080p except additional filesize bloat.
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TsunaReborn!
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Good thing I haven't had chance to open the first series as I can now wait for this release and marathon
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DangerMouse
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Agreed. As an aside, rather than it only being on Funi, wasn't this one of the titles that the Japanese publisher refused to allow Funi to put on BD yet and is enforcing them to wait, like many shows from this same publisher. I seem to still remember an article about this. |
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Mikeski
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Just about anything else. "Onee-sama". "Sis". "Sister". "Proton". "Yellowfin Tuna". "Knight who says 'ni'". Because... well, because. (Note that definition #4 isn't in common use unless you're about 90 years old, or in some part of the English-speaking world I'm unfamiliar with. I had one great-aunt (RIP) who called my grandmother (RIP) "sissy" in the familial sense. That's the only place I've heard it in that sense IRL.) |
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