Forum - View topicI'm deeply disturbed by "Monster"
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Shadowrun20XX
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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For a mangaka of his fame, isn't it rather odd to publish the first artbook 25 years after debut? 
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Tamaria
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Isn´t the artwork one of the reasons why Urasawa doesn´t want 20th Century Boys to be published in the US until after Monster is finished? As in, his new work makes his older series look bad?
The art is Monster is mostly functional. It's not there to look pretty/epic/awesome, it's there to tell a story and that's all it does. |
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pedopeto
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Heh, well, my age is somewhere between 25 and 30 and I've had quite an eventful life; I guess I'm quite old compared to the average manga reader, at least old enough to see when some manga's/book's plot and dialogue loses to Eragon. Of course that's just my opinion, and you have yours, but I think it's quite silly to tell people who don't agree with you that "you're just too young to understand". Also naming that character as Johan compares to naming Gandalf "Jack", and Monster trying to be realistic or commonplace doesn't help at all. If this manga tries to be realistic I'd at least expect: -smoothly flowing, realistic dialogue -cutting out the one-dimensional charicatyre characters -cutting out the moral preaches As if I wasn't concentrating on all the big weaknesses too much, to notice something like "redundant panels". |
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Tamaria
Posts: 1512 Location: De Achterhoek |
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If you ask me, it would have sounded just plain stupid if the mangaka had given Johan some weird or pretentious name. Johan's ability to blend in supposed to be one of his scariest traits. The name "Johan" is very suitable for that. |
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pedopeto
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I wasn't talking about pretentious names. How about: Carl, Heinrich, Kurt, Luther, Roland or Walter? |
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Tony K.
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Do you just not like saying the name "Johan?" What is so wrong with the name "Johan" that you come off as making it sound like absolute and utter blasphemy at its mere allusion, mention, and incarnation?
That's like "John Doe" in Se7en being called "William Doe" instead. Unless Urasawa had some kind of other influence in picking the name, I honestly don't see any logical reason or remotely supported opinion in why you've got such a beef with a common German name. As if any of those other choices make a difference. It's not who he is underneath, but what he does that defines him. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Johan isn't an acceptable name, but Carl is? How does that work?
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pedopeto
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I don't like the syllable "jo", at least with German pronounciation. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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People have their irrationalities and that's fine, but stop trying to force it on the rest of us, please.
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JacobC
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"I am the evil CARL, corrupter of fellow young minds and shooter of baby dolls! Fear me, peasants!"
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pedopeto
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How am I trying to force my views? I'm not the inquisition. This is a forum, it's a place where people exchange their different views, and I presented mine. |
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Tamaria
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You presented your's in a ridiculous way. Stating Monster is not all that? That's fine, /if/ you support your opinion. You present a little irrational petpeeve as a major argument and we are supposed to accept that as a valid point?
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pedopeto
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Hmmm, I haven't seen anyone give good arguments why it's good. What's a good argument? Also, you shouldn't say "we", you are only you. Lastly, was it really my major argument? Nope, it was a single line in parentheses in my opening post, which everyone else payed too much attention. That's how I see it. |
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Tony K.
Subscriber Moderator Posts: 11311 Location: Frisco, TX |
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Well pedo, seeing as how you've only read 4 volumes (not even a quarter of its entirety), is it really fair for us debate the merits if you don't even know the whole story? And no, I don't see your comments around the middle of page one having much relevance because, again, you've only read a small portion.
For instance, the whole "Nina is a generic cutesy anime girl" comment. In fact, she's far from it, but you wouldn't know that until the end. Or "Jo- [let's call him Jesus Christ from now on, that's a pretty cool, yet not too pretentious name] being a complete joke [in your opinion]." What opinion? You say he and the entire manga are a joke (multiple times), then proceed to make completely off topic comparisons that still explain nothing about your logic or distasteful opinion of the series. If you don't like it just because you don't like it but can't find the right way to critically disprove it, then just say it's not in your taste. That's a good default position to take when you just don't feel like giving a giant spiel. I gave my own take and had some very good rebuttals to contrast what I felt were pros. But on the contrary, I've yet to see you make any kind of real argument yourself. So far, your comments feel more like demeaning banter and random cynical discrimination than any kind of noteworthy criticisms. You say it's over-the-top, generic, unrealistic, etc. again and again, but only in 2-3 short sentences until you start ranting and dressing up this title as some kind of "cheesy, laughable, unbelievable, complete joke." Give us something a little more tangible, informative, or thought provoking. Tell us why you think the side characters are mere caricatures and not actual people. How are any of them that much over-the-top? Give some examples of this awkward/unrealistic dialogue you saw and explain what kind of changes you'd make to the script. How about a short character analysis on what you've observed in Tenma, Nina, and Jesus Christ? Tenma is hollow because?... Nina is generic because?... Jesus Christ is laughable, cheesy and a complete joke because?... |
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