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No, because first, any explicit or supposed extreme titles--those that are censored--would already be restricted and sold as adults only; and second, other things NOT extreme at all got affected: - Oku-sama wa Shougakusei, a gag manga which is being republished on Ken Akamatsu's J-Comi - Hanamizawa Q-taro Jisenshuu Hana-Hiyori - Midori no Kisetsu - Aki Sora for non-negative portrayal of incest or consensual sex between high school students, or some like Oku-sama wa Shougakusei without any explicit sex Where's the raping of 3-year olds? In fact none of the titles that have been affected so far by bill 156 have even remotely approached that. They are basing their decisions of what to effectively remove form physical distribution, based purely on arbitrary subjective value judgements. In this case, unlike Aki Sora and Midori no Kisetsu, they thought the treatment of the subject matter of incest was sufficiently "negative" enough not to restrict Yosuga no Sora. Again, the criteria as stated in the article is the arbitrary value judgement of the subject matter judged "to be excessively disrupting of social order." |
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Shippoyasha
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The overreaction does not mean the panel is not a hideous offense towards artistic freedom and expression. If a manga or anime is truly offensive or off putting, the consumers will pass judgment with their money. It truly is one of the best self policed industries in the world as I see it. Hence all the panels are merely there to indulgently vent at stuff people as 'despicable' as otaku does or likes. Reality of what the panel actually does, it is highly offensive that the panel exists at all. It represents misplaced social values by governments and the snide attitude of people who feel they need to establish dominance. Japanese government can start by not being so combative about World War 2 history and like how they covered up shady nuclear power practices, the heinous treatment of the homeless and foreign workers. But no, they must waste time on the most benign of issues. Whew, sorry for the rant. |
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Kit-Tsukasa
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There's no such thing as free speech in this world as far as I'm concerned. If there was, then people would be expressing their opinions much more openly as there wouldn't be harm in doing so.
There are only 5 "formal" incest anime titles (not including hentai): Aki Sora, Boku wa Imouto ni Koi o Suru, Yosuga no Sora, Koi Kaze, Tenshi Kinryouku, Kiss x Sis OVA (TV series is not real incest and more just flirty than anything else). If you really want to push it, Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka makes the list too. Note that 3 of the 5 (barring Akane-iro) were produced over the last four years: Kiss x Sis started in 2008 and is still going, Yosuga no Sora in 2010 and Aki Sora in 2009-2010. Koi Kaze in 2004 and Boku wa Imouto ni Koi o Suru in 2005. That's pretty sparse if you ask me. Stuff like Onii-chan no Koto and OreImo are not official until it actually happens. For all we know, Kirino and Kyousuke in OreImo may not actually be blood related. As for the "Onii-chan you pervert" stereotype, I think the space has a little too much hate. Problem is most people started watching anime right when this began to take off and it's what most people have seen. You could very well have said the same thing about mech titles back in the early 90s. The industry has began to move out of that and from what I see, it's moving into a more slice-of-life/coming-of-age era, obviously with a few twists every now and then. Action has died, Mecha and magical girls have flattened, moe and ecchi have also began to quiet down. |
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dandelion_rose
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The only thing I find offensive about incest stories is that all of them sound like shite.
Marmalade Boy was the first manga / anime I saw that used it successfully and also the last manga / anime I saw that used it successfully. |
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Fencedude5609
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To consider Marmalade Boy "incest" is to complete remove any actual meaning from the term. |
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EleutheroMaster
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Isn't that ordinance even under judicial review?
Tokyo passed it too speedily. The opponents didn't have enough time to debate it. The DPJ buckled under a smear tactic! Was THAT FAIR!? 
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Shippoyasha
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That has no bearing on censorship, no? I respectfully disagree though. Funny how this is even an issue when traditional Japanese literature has incest themes featured prominently at times. Also, the stories that does have incest never actually implies that incest is socially acceptable. Even the most twisted hentai never implies normalcy of incest. |
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Mohawk52
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Incest has a fairly large enough following in anime and manga fantasy, because there is so little chance of it actually happening as so very little number of families with children have more than one child. More chance of father-daughter/mother-son than brother-sister.
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dandelion_rose
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fudge any 'actual meaning of the term', how hard is it to make some goddamn art! There's no moral or immoral stories there's only good stories or shite stories and if the bulk of manga and anime didn't already look like a lot of shite stories pretty much everything in the incest fireline looks like it. It's like having to defend the freedom of speech of books when the book shelf that's in jeopardy is the one with all the titty mags. |
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Fencedude5609
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Does this post have a point, or are you just ranting incoherently? |
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dandelion_rose
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I'd like some recommendations, if you don't mind. I want something good to consume. |
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dormcat
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Judging from your location (if it's true), I wouldn't bother recommending titles that might send you to a prison. |
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dandelion_rose
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I'm in Malaysia, not Saudi Arabia. They don't send people to prison for owning banned books (don't know about film though, never tried), they just seize them. Anyway, Haruki Murakami has bro-sis incest in Kafka on the Shore, and that's sold openly here. That's the only example I can think of, though that's non-anime or manga related. Regarding Fencedude5609's reply, it's another 'frustration with the industry' comment. Out of all the years when the Japanese powers-that-be has given leniency to the subject, you'd expect a little more than just fetish pandering. What we think of the Japanese government has very little effect on what the Japanese government will do, anyway. So if some of the non-Japanese here can rant about how government policy is affecting their imoto stuff, I can rant about how so much of it, despite having the freedom to work with taboo, has (at least on appearance) been so banal. |
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Yttrbio
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configspace
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It has very real effects. In my previous post I cited a few titles that have been already affected, removing them from store shelves. Its arbitrary and subjective nature makes creators and/or publishers more cautious Nonetheless, it doesn't matter even if only 1 person is affected, as it still would not be justified. You're point about the law and your own desires for what you want to see, that is, your own value judgements are completely separate |
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