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Cecilthedarkknight_234
Posts: 3820 Location: Louisville, KY |
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For some reason I am not really surprised a female artist is doing loli characters. Yui haga is the other famous artist off the top of my head that did disgaea and other fan art before making lotte's toy...sigh.. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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Thing is, that isn't her call to make. It's mine. And I'm not changing it, for this very simple reason: in her estimation, it came off as wank material. Plenty of other people had that impression too; Erin isn't the only person I've seen make that call. You may disagree. In your own review, you may spend a paragraph explaining how "but you see this isn't wank material because...". But it isn't your review. It's hers. And that's how she described it. So if you want to hound someone about it, hound me. I'm the person making the choice to keep it the way it is. I have absolutely no intention of letting you harass my writers until they come to me asking me to change their article so it fits your personal take on the material. |
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Megiddo
Posts: 8360 Location: IL |
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It's not a "personal take" Zac.
If you want to see something resembling porn, look at the Akikan OVA. It features things such as a herd of cats licking two naked girls all over because they have seafood spread all over them causing the girls to orgasm. There is nothing even close to that in the Teatrino OVA. Anyway, if that's your decision as editor then I see no reason to fight it. Some organizations care more about controlling content than about supplying factual information I suppose. I can't fault you for sticking up for your writer either. I'd do the same thing. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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What makes you think that us hounding you - a person who in the past has proven very trigger happy with the ban button, and who sticks by their writers no matter what the writer has said or done - is going to accomplish anything? If you're really giving us license to hound you without penalty then I'd be one of the first people to take up your offer, as I still haven't forgotten about Death Note or Fate/Zero (amongst others). But if you're just saying that and your offer is hollow or fake, then I'd be stupid to take it up. I'm actually genuinely curious to know which one it is. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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Trigger happy with the ban button, eh? You realize your behavior was brought to me by other people who then suggested you be banned, right? It wasn't just me saying "this guy's annoying, out he goes"? Maybe you didn't know that.
When did I say "without penalty"? I don't recall saying that. I like the inherent melodrama in saying "I still haven't forgotten about this!" as though I ran over your dog rather than published an opinion you didn't agree with. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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I notice you still didn't answer my question. Nice deflection there, that was. Eh, from what I remember, I was calling out Carl Kimlinger for some review (may indeed have been Death Note) and you banned me for a couple of months then and there. Then with my Moderation, I did exactly as Keonyn said and made a thread about how I didn't like how the Moderators were moderating, and got immediately placed under Moderation for that. I don't know what goes on in the Staff Forums or what PMs you get, all I know is what it looks like to me.
Oh come now, it was implicitly stated. Of course, I had the sense to ask if you were being straight with us; turns out you weren't. No surprise there but I do admit to feeling a little disappointed; hounding you would have been fun.
Comparing a squished canine to a review on a website; stay classy Zac. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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I get bored easily and likely would've banned you once you started getting really insufferable about it. Hey, maybe I am trigger-happy after all!
I can't help it; it is my natural state. |
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Blood-
Bargain Hunter
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I am living proof - as a poster who has never been banned at ANN - that this joint has no trigger-happy ban-hammers. If it did, I would have been PNG long ago. From what I can see (and this isn't based just on my example) you really have to press somebody's absolute last nerve to get the ban treatment.
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erinfinnegan
ANN Columnist
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Alright, I'm done replying to you after this.
"Wank material" is an opinion and not a fact.
I'd have to read the Akikan novels to know if they were porn. But nevermind that, because there's only one severely underaged character in Akikan. Just one pre-pubescent. In Gunslinger Girls, they're all pre-pubescent. It's a standard trope of ero-com shows and harem shows to throw in one elementary school kid. That really bothers me. I'm offended almost every single time "that character" shows up on screen. Akikan impressed me by not treating Budokan like "that character" in most other shows. I'm not totally un-offended by her, but I'm way less offended because Akikan being a comedy, I could read Budokan as more of a parody of "that kind of character". I watched Puni Puni Poemy back in the day, and thought it was hilarious, despite a bunch of horrible potentially offensive jokes about underaged characters. Comedy is often parodying and poking fun at sensitive topics, (think South Park). That's much less offensive to me than "being" the sensitive topic and being dead serious about it. If you want to continue this conversation, I'll be glad to talk to you about it in real life if you see me at a convention. |
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No, they're not. Even if we ignore the cyborgs that came later on in the manga and weren't shown in the anime, Triela is pubescent, as I recall at one point in the anime she complained about having menstrual cramps, to which Henrietta mentioned how she herself was unable to have them since her uterus had been removed. I'm pretty sure that most of the girls are in the 12-14 range, which is not pre-pubescent. Underage ≠ pre-pubescent. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Some girls in Gunslinger Girls do look in the twelve to fourteen range, but others look ten. Just saying.
(Haven't see the show, just going off a Google Image Search.) |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
Posts: 3820 Location: Louisville, KY |
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I haven't myself as well but they don't loli as in kodomo no jikan or other shows just flat chested girls such as louise, taiga or suzu. It's more focused on body waist of hips, legs, a**, thighs that define loli for me and none really fit that bill again like you i haven't seen the show so i can't tell. To erin actually I am happy that some has some stand on their moral bounds. if you didn't like that's fine I can't say it's good or bad based on my own moral judgment. I do have some they have just decreased over the years but that's not the subject at hand. |
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Nayu
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Seriously, every bloody week this column has the very same response in this forum. I don't know if you're blind or what, Zac, but maybe you should consider that Erin's opinions on anime are at odds with the vast majority of your readership and perhaps it is time to consider a change?
I'm not even going to touch the topic at hand since I believe that it has been adequately shown that Erin was in the wrong again. I'm sorry but when you review anime, you need to be accurate about the subject matter. Erin's repeatedly made terrible mistakes when reviewing anime, such as completely misinterpreting Chobits. But hey, its your reputation that hangs in the balance. |
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ConanSan
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No, it was just crap. Glad someone liked it but seriously, you would not know the people behind it did Bacano. |
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Pippin4242
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Zac, I completely understand and respect your urge to protect your writers, but you still haven't answered my question: have you watched the Akikan! OVA?
It was THAT OFFENSIVE. I am seriously offended by the review failing to touch upon any of its awfulness. While the main show is problematic, it's fine to have a differing opinion, but the OVA was extremely upsetting. I've watched a lot of bad or offensive or porny anime, but I've never seen rape played for laughs in that way before - and to the guy who said rape could be funny, you might like to know it was a man who was left stuck in a tree to be raped, by a horrible gay stereotype who made me and many of the other queer people watching feel extremely uncomfortable. |
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