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getchman
He started it
Posts: 9122 Location: Bedford, NH |
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you started excessively quoting, which is against rule #6 and something Tony K really hates |
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beelzebozo
Posts: 308 Location: Aurora, Colorado |
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Never said they were "good" at business. |
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Advent_Nebula
Posts: 932 Location: Colorado |
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I know Animaniacs, they use to be here in Denver. |
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Advent_Nebula
Posts: 932 Location: Colorado |
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I co-run the Denver Anime Meetup Group, and Timmons attended the January dinner. One of the things we told him was to get rid of the bootleg merch, and I remember other members of the group laying into him the complaints form the last several years. Looks like he did not take our advice. Also form what I can tell as someone close to finishing his MBA that Timmons has little to know business sense. While it dose have potential, I don't see it as an Anime con, but rather as a cosplay and costuming con. |
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Pocket_Squirrel
Posts: 1 Location: 12203 E Iliff Ave Unit S Aurora |
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I run a store in Aurora that deals with animation and bootlegging infuriates me. I actually went through and recovered my long dormant account to post this. haha. Anyhow, it's a serious problem. Reading through the paperwork, it was just a matter of time.
As for Animeland Wasabi? This year was a bit rough, but that convention has always been a bit rough. They have had security problems, hotel complaints, drugs in the rave, and other things. It's just that they need to standardize their policies, streamline a lot of things, and generally enforce the rules they set to begin with. Also, there is a need to not start things. If I may quote Gravity Falls: "Do what women do: Hate each other in secret!" I don't understand why conventions feel they have to try and compete for visitors when they aren't even in the same month. Our only honest competition (no bootlegs) is Gimmie Anime, but at the end of the day, we're not competing for a shrinking market. We are part of a market that we are both trying to grow. Honesty and integrity increases that market. People who honestly love anime should want to support the people who bring it out for them legitimately. Lawsuits like this are a good way to shut down predators. People who sell bootlegs are predators. They are taking advantage of people's trust and charging them excessive prices for stuff they burned themselves or got from dishonest wholesalers for pennies and dimes. |
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Ohoni
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Legally they don't seem to have a leg to stand on, but morally I would only oppose merchandise created to duplicate existing merch. If they are creating original and otherwise unavailable items that merely use existing designs then I condemn groups like Funimation for suing, rather than the people who are merely providing the products the customers want to buy.
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KabaKabaFruit
Posts: 1875 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba |
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If Toei really loathes Sailor Moon that much, then there are some things here that I just don't get: -The show ran for 200 episodes, had 3 movies and several other specials, musicals and even a live action show. Ratings were reportedly very good and further bolstered Toei's reputation as a quality animation producer for Japanese audiences. If anything the show should be considered a crown jewel of Toei's achievements next to other notable series like One Piece, Dragon Ball and Fist of the North Star. -The show is well loved the world over. Hell, it is arguably the show that spawned the anime fandom in Canada! -The series had figures, video games and clothing lines. Quite a big deal with a franchise like this. Honestly, the only logical reason that Toei would hate Sailor Moon now was due to their shaky relationship with Naoko Takeuchi. But shouldn't that have been resolved by now? Furthermore, if money is the only thing that matters to Toei now and they are making a killing with Dragon Ball and One Piece, then why revive Sailor Moon at all for financial gain if they hate it so much? Wouldn't they rather just focus on Dragon Ball, One Piece, and to a lesser extent, Toriko?
I'm sorry but there is no logical reason for rule #6 to really exist. As someone who has frequented forums for years, excessive quoting is pretty much a non-issue when you consider that your average person can easily ignore the quotes and focus only on the official post. I find it unfortunate that Tony K would be legitimately irked by this when you consider that there are far worse issues on forums to be concerned about. Maybe Tony should re-evaluate his priorities. Last edited by KabaKabaFruit on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:56 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Shaterri
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At the risk of opening a box of worms: why? Customers don't have a 'right', legal moral or otherwise, to whatever product they want featuring their favorite characters - instead, it's the creator (or more broadly, owner, if the creator chooses to sign their rights away, but let's not get into that kettle of fish) who would seem to have a clear right to determine how their characters are used for commercial purposes. Should Funi and Toei be all right with, e.g., someone else selling Dragon Ball Z condoms because 'that's what the people want'? |
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addiemon
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Would it change your stance if you knew that in the U.S., trademarks-- unlike copyrights --must be defended in order to be maintained? The strength of a trademark in court relies on its being distinct in its market; if a company allows that trademark to be used commonly/generically then that trademark can become "generic" and legally usable by others. The most common example of this is with names-- Xerox, Aspirin, Band-Aid are classic examples of trademarks that became so diluted by common use that they are now generic trademarks and people can use them to refer to a general product, even when not made by the companies that registered those trademarks. Both Google and Adobe have been dealing with this issue; both companies dissuage the (increasingly common) use of their product as a verb: "By googling this," "I photoshopped that pic," etc. Adobe actually has a whole page devoted to this as part of their defense. NOTE: I'm not a lawyer, and this is all based on my layperson's understanding of the law from college classes. Hopefully the next Law of Anime columns will spotlight trademark and some of how it is different from copyright. |
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SilverSilence
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You know I was thinking about this as I was reading, I am not going to be above saying that bootlegging isn't going to happen, it will no matter what you think about it. I was accused of it, when I refused to buy a jacket and just do something on my own with some patches that I purchased.
Truth is I would rather we had two anime conventions in Colorado that are successful instead of just one...because more options is better than just one... |
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Advent_Nebula
Posts: 932 Location: Colorado |
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We could have more then one, if the right leadership took and did it. It is not easy though, beelzebozo can tell you that, as he was a founding member of NDK before he left to open his own anime store.
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Suena
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Hopefully this move will scare the pants off other cons that condone bootleg merch.
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SilverSilence
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I am hopeful that Andrea is a good leader for Animeland Wasabi. I'm hopeful for that...Andrea has taken Animeland over and has pushed out Think Art Media and has come up with a better options. She has no tolerance for ANY bootlegging at the conventions she runs. Last few conventions Timmons has been asked to leave, which he had to, most staff at the convention hate the guy. I know for a fact that if given the option and asked to join staff for Animeland, I would do it in a heart beat and help them clean everything up. |
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RoseTech
Posts: 50 Location: Toronto, Canada |
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This is true. Fake figures are the worst. I see a guy selling official authentic nendoroids and other figures, while there's another guy on the other side selling fake ones (you can tell by the poor printing of the packaging (compression artifacts, discoloration, etc.)(you can see this on fake CDs/DVDs too) and the figure's material looks more plasticky and reflective than rubbery (it's supposed to have a very "soft" look to it)). Makes me really feel bad for the authentic figure guy. Even though I can get them off of Amazon.co.jp via my friend for less, I end up getting one out of pity. Well, that and because「Azunyan right in my face」. But as far as this case and article is concerned, it was inevitable.
Most excellent response to the "if it doesn't exist already, what's wrong with [mass-produced] unlicensed merchandise". I concur. It just hurts the anime industry which we love so much. And as standing as one person, it's a matter of principle. |
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HeeroTX
Posts: 2046 Location: Austin, TX |
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I have nothing against FUNimation and don't have a problem with their suit, but your trademark sidebar is totally IRRELEVANT. Trademarks ARE a totally different ball of wax and have nothing to do with THIS particular case/discussion. To quote the article:
edit: Green Mustard Ent. is apparently arguing about trademark, but that's related to the con name and has absolutely nothing to do with the merchandise discussion. Random anime merchandise is not "trademarked", heck except possibly in rare circumstances, full anime titles/characters/etc. aren't "trademarked". |
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