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guildmaster
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I can't believe this sh!t, especially the remarks by aoi yuuki fanboy.
This whole thread needs an express track to the delete box. |
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TsunaReborn!
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I agree the comments against aoi yuuki are becoming excessive as it has been taken completely out of context. The poor guy is being labeled as a pedophile - people really need to think before they start making statements like that as it can ruin an innocent persons reputation. Last edited by TsunaReborn! on Mon May 20, 2013 6:58 am; edited 1 time in total |
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hikaru004
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Unless that study has undergone peer review to verify that it used proper methods to reach its conclusions, it's not useful for rest of us. |
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dtm42
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What do you mean by the "rest of us"? I hope you're not implying something inappropriate. And I tend to trust the Danish study. It makes logical sense; most people know the difference between fantasy and reality and are attracted to the fantasy because it's not real. Porn (Hentai, Hentai Manga and normal live-action) has lots of rape and enslavement of adult women and yet there isn't any suggestion by non-hysterical observers that men are raping adult women because they saw it on the internet or wherever. The report's findings also backs up (the lack of) empirical observation of Hentai-motivated crimes. The number of cases of child sexual abuse that have been directly attributed to Lolicon Hentai is so vanishingly small as to be almost non-existent. We're talking less than half a dozen since the year 2000, at least according to what I can find in the ANN news archives. But most importantly, I trust the study because of who commissioned it. The study found that there's no link. Believe you me, the people who ordered the study - Danish politicians and the judiciary - wanted to find a connection to confirm their own biases. And so the study's methodology would have been angled towards getting that conclusion. If there had been any evidence, they would have found it. Just look at what was said: "We have had to acknowledge...". The choice of wording is telling. They had a preconceived notion that there would be evidence and were disappointed when they had to admit they couldn't find any. I don't know what side of the debate you're on, but face it; there is no evidence whatsoever that pornography causes real abuse. It's not that we just haven't found it yet, it simply doesn't exist. The number of cases has been insignificantly small, and the people who wanted to find it could not find anything. More studies likely wouldn't help because they'd have to somehow uncover new evidence, and I highly doubt that a cluster of cases would suddenly appear out of nowhere. It's possible the Danish only looked at abuse in Denmark, but I don't see why Denmark would be different to New Zealand or Australia or the United States. In fact, the only place I've ever heard of Hentai porn causing real abuse is Japan. And even then, the news reports are so hyped up by the media it's hard to tell whether the fact the perpetrators were Otaku had any direct bearing on their motivation to commit the offences they were charged with. |
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Mesonoxian Eve
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I'm not sure if I can agree to this, because there's several problems with the statement. First, it's assuming lolicon isn't a sexual attraction to an underage anime character. Second, it's assumimg pedophilia includes sexual abuse against a minor. Given this, the more accurate statement would be: Lolicon =/= child molester. Pedophilia is no different in classification as homosexuality. Unfortunately, mass media hysteria has made "pedophile" synonymous with "child molester", and it's no longer surprising most of the public now has this misconception. Drill a message into the public long enough, and you can get them to believe spaghetti causes cancer. The Kinsey Institute, one of the world's authority on sexual behavior, has many reports which indicate the majority of pedophiles wouldn't cross the line and abuse a minor. In addition, the FBI reports on sexual abuse of minors still indicates well over 80% of cases are perpetrated by people the victims know, and of those cases, most weren't pedophiles. I should also point out the definition of pedophilia was updated as laws in the US shifted the age scale again. In the US, anyone under the age of 18 is considered both a minor and a child, so the definition now includes "prepubescent" as one of the identifiers. Ephebophilia is the sexual attraction to teenagers, and it's this definition most men fall into, however it should be crystal clear why most people haven't heard of this definition, as "pedophile" was improperly used for many years. Now, comes the stigma of being a pedophile. It's no surprise many would find this uncomfortable, because there will always be a relation to a real world child, but that's only because most people refuse to educate themselves into the matter and find it easier to take the safer approach. Their ignorance is why people are being arrested for having drawings. Even the US is guilty of it, as evident with the Christopher Handley case (which law enforcement indicated no sexual abuse of a minor was found during the investigation). Is Handley a pedophile? Very likely. Is he a child molester? Nope. And obviously, people have no problem with this law as they obviously didn't object to its passing. Then again, would anyone want to be in the front lines trying to ban the law? The public's opinion of anyone to do so would not be favorable. |
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Mohawk52
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TsunaReborn!
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I don't think I was over upset - I just don't think it was fair that he was being calling a pedophile when his post could have been interpreted in 2 ways. I was trying to show my interpretation of it but it seems I was not clear
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Mohawk52
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aoi yuuki fanboy
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Me again... Just wanted to clarify that I don't rape children and I don't want to. thnx
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tcsavato
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While Mesonoxian Eve said some fine points, there's a few things that prolly should be clarified...
Being a lolicon has nothing to do with the age of the character in question, it's purely a body style. Nothing more. I'm insanely positive that if a poll was taken on a lolicon's attraction to real kids, you would find very little correlation. When it comes to a lolicon's attraction to a certain character, it generally pertains to the character's personality and the artstyle of the series. When it comes to an attraction to a fictional character, those attractions do not necessarily transfer into real life. If somebody had an attraction to Edna Krabappel from the Simpsons, it does not mean that they have a real life attraction to Yellow Skin. Nor should they be attributed to some form of yellow skin-phillia However, there are Lolicons who are also attracted to real children, which would make them pedophiles. Also, in extension to the 2nd paragraph; being a Lolicon, a Pedophile and Child molester are all different. Being one does not mean you are the other.
Under US Law, a Pedophile is some one sexually attracted to a child. A child, under law, is any one under 14 years of age. Anyone above that, but below 18, is a Minor (A child is also a minor in this case). Still a dumb as hell law, however. No reason to make a separate legal definition that is a partial truth to the actual definition.
There's not enough information to classify Hadley as a Pedophile (unless I'm missing something). But this goes back to my first couple paragraphs.
That's assuming anybody not in law enforcement knows it even exists. Not every law is passed with voter action. Laws like this are generally passed in silence and people that report legislation disregard it since "animated child pornography" has no meaning to the public eye since most people likely don't even know it exists. It's illegal to go Whaling in Oklahoma, for example. I doubt many people know it exists. But it is also a dumb law on a whole other level.
Course, this is the problem. The Majority of people have discarded logic and reason in order to be a slave to society. The more open minded people are, the more actual productive stuff gets done. And then the world can actually be a decent place. And in case anyone does care, I am a lolicon. I do not find real children attractive. I can easily say that I am a Ephebophile, though, from what I've noticed of the very few people I have been attracted to, but I hardly find real people attractive anyway. So whatevs. |
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
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And not to distract from the thread but this needs to be looked at again...
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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I'm out are you with me?? 
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Vylash
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tcsavato
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He's right, though. Only difference is that acting out on Pedophilia is illegal. His point is that a Pedophile is born that way much like a homosexual is born that way. It's not an attraction you choose to have. Essentially, if you want to be barebones about it, homosexuality = homophilia. I'd take it a step further and say that it's illogical to claim pedophilia as a mental illness and Homesexuality as not a mental illness. But I digress. |
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Mad_Scientist
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You know, I think this thread is starting to go some weird and potentially offensive places.
Yes, I'm sure that pedophiles don't choose to be pedophiles. I'm not exactly an expert on human sexuality, but it makes sense that would be the case. But if you're trying to make that point... just make that point. Don't try to make comparisons between pedophilia and homosexuality or anything else, it won't go well and will just come off as offensive. So while I'm not a mod and can only request this rather than order it, can we please drop this "homosexuality = pedophilia" comparisons before it destroys what is left of this thread? |
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