Forum - View topicINTEREST: Columnist Criticizes Japanese Environmental Ministry's Moe Girls as Sexist
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R315r4z0r
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I think the rule of thumb is something isn't until it's proven otherwise.
And, I find that people would be hard-pressed to prove this "sexist" claim. People often tend to confuse "discrimination" with "disliking." It gets to the point where people reverse discriminate, thinking that they are being considerate, but in actuality are unintentionally being arrogant and condescending. You have the right to dislike something or someone. Even if it's for the very reason they might be discriminated for. You simply need to be honest with your own feelings. For example, if you are uncomfortable with homosexuality, you don't have to lie about your feelings in public. It doesn't make you hateful to simply be honest with your feelings. What makes you hateful is if you go out of your way to put those people down. The fact of the matter is that this moe trope is not sexist. You can think that and you are entitled to that opinion. Hold to it. More power to you. But it doesn't change the fact that it's merely a genre. Just because one specific genre depicts things a certain way, doesn't make it sexist. AND EVEN IF IT WAS SEXIST - It wouldn't matter! Because that particular thing is DESIGNED to be that way! That's like saying porn is sexist because it shows women naked. Even though that is by design. Anyway, going back to the article, I completely disagree with this person. She says these characters are sexist because they appeal to male preferences. Ok, that's all fine and good... but what she neglected to elaborate on is how female preferences weigh in. In fact, that's a basic sales trap if I've ever seen on. When they try to promote one thing as being a "major driving point" even though it's actually standard across all accounts. IE: If a comparable amount of female preferences fell in line with male preferences for these characters, it doesn't change the validity of her statement claiming that these characters are targeted at males... but it does drastically alter the perspective of her argument. |
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Heishi
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Boy, I had no idea it would be THIS bad in this thread.
Look, I disagree with this person who posted this. But are we gonna let one person ruin things for everyone? I hope not. |
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Chiibi
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Hmm well.
That is.... Freaking stupid. 
^ THIS THOUGH. |
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TrailOfDead
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correct. you will never be free of people expressing their opinions on your work, and some of those opinions will be negative. some people might state they believe your work is socially harmful, or that aspects of it are rooted in some personal failing of yours. if this scares you into inaction, the arts might not be for you. |
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SquadmemberRitsu
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The most powerful man in the world is convinced that global warming is a Chinese conspiracy theory. This is not the time to be having such a trivial discussion.
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FilthyCasual
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Coming in hot with an unpopular opinion here:
Mirai is cuter, vive la seitokaichou aesthetic! |
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Heishi
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Sadly, people are more worried about who said what than what will really affect them in the future. |
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Veniamin
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How is it remotely sexist? How is seeing a drawing as "sexy, cute, pretty, etc" remotely sexist? Please stop butchering the definition of that word. Being sexist would be saying "Oh, she's a woman, she might be someone who belongs in the kitchen and cooks for me!" not drawing a cute girl. What you mean to say it's "Creepy" but then again, judging by your shallow personality towards men who simply find cute stuff cute, I'd rather be called that and much more petty little empty insults. It's not enough that you want to insult every aspect of a man, but now you want to insult something that makes them warm on the inside? Are you that much of a leeching parasite? Are you so damn weak that you project your insecurities onto a cartoon character and hilariously attempt to shame us? Stop trying so damn hard, I'll even make a video of this shit even after you ban me. No matter what you do, you will never stop the idea of "Moe." You cretins will circle jerk in this god for saken forum to satisfy your ego but you'll never give me a straight answer on HOW it's sexist without trying to connect with your offended reaction. It's always "B-B-B-B-B-B-B-UT IT'S SEXIST, LOOK SHE'S TOO CUTE AND PRETTY. IT MIGHT BE SEXUAL. That really makes me suspicious about who you are and what you think about sexuality. Protip: It's not wrong. at all. there's nothing wrong with finding something sexy, cute, pretty, beautiful, etc. I just don't get how anyone here started to think of anime as sexist, like do you all suddenly feel inferior because a 2D character is sexy? Have we really reach this point? What does that say about yourself? |
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TasteyCookie
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Definitely agree with you on almost everything you said. I think the columnist made a very poor decision to use the word Sexist in general as it completely inundates the topic at hand which is the Japanese government has a very hard time coming up with ways to advertise. Rather than just making a Moe anime character, that is. It was great at first, but when you do it with everything, it loses it's touch. Too bad Otakus are an easily targetable market, since there isn't that many of them but the amount of money they spend is vastly disproportionate. It's a lot easier to convince them than a bunch of Salarymen and Salarywomen who have little to no interest outside of work. (Which I think is a much bigger social issue here, cough cough birth rate) Alas, it's impossible to properly advertise an opinion on a grand scale without spouting controversial words, and that seems to be the case here as well. Unless they genuinely feel that an anime girl image is much more detrimental to her rights than the punishing work place environment, horrible marriage stigmas, punitive pregnant rights, and the myriad of other sexism problems in Japan. |
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Top Gun
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Putting the potential gender issues aside for the moment (and I think there's a compelling argument to be made there), what really disgusts me is the thought that young people need to have goddamn moeblobs dangled in front of them to give a damn about pressing environmental issues. I'm sincerely hoping it's just an instance of the Japanese government being particularly goofy and not a legitimate sign of actual widespread apathy.
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7jaws7
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Treating fictional characters like real people again, are we? Let's get our priorities together.
There is some sexism in anime, and maybe the subject in question is guilty. But IT'S A FANTASY. CGDCT is a guilty pleasure we have. If moé girls can help get the message across, then nobody should complain about it. And if they don't, then the worst that could happen is they pull their cutesy mascots. |
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CoreSignal
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Agree with both of you. In fact, this was my main takeaway from the article. The Environmental Ministry could've come up with anything to reach "young people with little interest in environmental issues" and apparentally, all they could think of were cute girls. Believe it or not, there exist young Japanese people who aren't into anime or cute girls, but who cares about them? I guess otaku money will help save the planet, lol. Anyway, this is basically a rehash of that controversy awhile back about that prefecture/region that did a moe girl campaign to promote tourism to their area. |
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CatSword
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"Take it easy, it's just a drawing." - Patrick Star, 2002
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Congratulations. 7 pages of utter trollish crap in under 12 hours. Might be a new record. Ya'll should be proud.
It would simply be a waste of time to clear out all the posts needed to clean this thread up. After spending an hour doing that there would be 2 pages more within an hour so this one is simply getting locked. The mods will be going through it though and some of you will be getting PM warnings.
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