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Answerman - How Do Anime Staff Feel About Working On Controversial Anime?


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Sam Murai



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:37 pm Reply with quote
Jonny Mendes wrote:
Angel Investor wrote:
In what reality was Mirai Nikki controversial? The only upsetting thing about that series was how stupid and unrealistic the characters were.

The controversy with Mirai Nikki was because of the extreme graphic violence and gore.
Many people were turn off by that and complained that was too much.


It wasn't that extreme, but there was still enough messed-up content in it (violent/sexual, and not) that generated some kind of buzz. It's definitely no BLOOD-C, however.

This Answerman installment reminded me a lot of what I've heard about Fox News Channel, where some of the journalists and those that work behind the scenes don't necessarily agree with everything the network says and does, but view their respective occupations as simply "their job" and/or divorce their employer's machinations from what they do.
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CatSword



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The only anime I can think of where the controversy really got serious enough someone might consider quitting is B Gata H Kei, in which there were death threats. Even then, we never heard about anyone quitting.
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ninjamitsuki wrote:
I'm more curious about people that animate hentai... I wouldn't doubt some of them have families. Imagine going home to your spouse and kids after animating a scene in Boku no Pico...


Peter Payne from jlist wrote a short blog post wrote something similar in this regard: https://www.jlist.com/blog/your-friend-in-japan/japan-doesnt-worry-about-hentai/

Simply put. It's work, be professional. That said, it's kind of baffling how I've seen some smaller companies on our side of the market take stances or make objections midway through a contract because they later found out there was objectionable content that they weren't comfortable with. While I would understand this for works that are still in production but works that have already been published for a while and are being localized make a bit less sense to me.

Yeah, most ero anime staff don't use pseudonyms, and the mainstream mangaka that have done and still often are creating ero-doujinshi are very well known. You can add Shouji Satou (Triage X, HotD) and Hiromitsu Takeda (Maken-Ki) and female mangaka Sakurako Gokurakuin (Sekirei) as very prolific big ero mangaka. Before Sekirei most of Gokurakuin's were yaoi and shotacon. A couple of the yaoi smut were licensed here by DMP like Sensitive Pornograph under their adult 801 media label, though none of her shotacon.

I get the feeling that maybe most would rather concentrate on their ero works than the mainstream works, except they gotta pay the bills. Few can afford the luuxry Shirow Masamune now has from constant income via GiTs royalties and just focus on ero artbooks and doujinshi fulltime like Shirow has done
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ninjamitsuki wrote:
I'm more curious about people that animate hentai... I wouldn't doubt some of them have families.


Not the ones that animate breasts as if they were balloons and are subject to the same physics. I always have a good laugh when hentai shows boobs floating in the water as if they were just fleshy balloons.
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Perhaps the ones that animate gainaxing boobs are those that never interacted with women in real life, let alone seeing their revealing assets?


Remember everyone! Stereotyping and mass reductionism is always how you should live life! /sarcasm


Specially because anime is fantasy and so they are not trying to do anything realistic in the first place. Or do you think real women have eyes as big as in Clannad? People who make fun of anime for lack of realism are just showing their own ignorance regarding such material.
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Gina Szanboti



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A lot of seiyuu use pseudonyms for adult roles.

And a lot don't. The cast list for Boku no Sexual Harassment is astonishing. Very Happy Jūrōta Kosugi (Asuma Sarutobi, Arlong), Houchu Ohtsuka (Jiraiya, Ajin's Satō), Akira Ishida (Gaara, Katsura, Rakugo's Kikuhiko), Toshiyuki Morikawa (Griffith, 4th Hokage), and Takehito Koyasu (everything ever made), among others with respectable resumes of their own.

Morikawa and Koyasu were also the leads in Legend of the Blue Wolves, another notoriously explicit yaoi ova. Doesn't seem to have hurt any of these people's careers. Is there more of a stigma for female seiyū in straight hentai?
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And many are married and have kids. Even loli and shota manga artists that is so controversial in the west. are married and have kids. Sometimes even work as teams of husband/wife drawing loli and shota manga. Many of those artist are female.

While Kentaro Yabuki was drawing "To-Love-Ru Darkness", he was also raising a young daughter (from my understanding, she would be a 5th or 6th grader by now). Let that sink in.
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Plus, it depends on the nature of the "controversy"... Western fandom is social media oriented, which tends to amplify controversy and minority opinions. (And there's more than a few tastemakers that deliberately and with malice aforethought court controversy for the attention it brings.) It's also embedded in a culture that has an unfortunate tendency to seek out offense.

Thus many things which loom large in the West aren't noticeably controversial in Japan.


Thank you! I'm an old man who reads manga and watches anime as a hobby in my retirement. The number folks of more standard anime-consuming age who can find something to be upset or scandalized about in material from Japan amazes me!

It's like being back in the 1950s, when the "Decency" crusaders were always willing to raise a stink about some book or movie, even though self-censorship was practically universal in all media.
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Japanese tend to separate work life and personal life - what you do for work can be separated from the kind of person you are. Ex: Japanese spouses of hentai artists separate what's for work and what's for home.

It's somewhat delved upon in the renowned Urotsukidoji creator Toshio Maeda segment of Anthony Bourdain's (may he rest in peace) Parts Unknown TV series on CNN:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5871v6?start=2080
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Ojamajo LimePie



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Gina Szanboti wrote:
Ojamajo LimePie wrote:
A lot of seiyuu use pseudonyms for adult roles.

And a lot don't. The cast list for Boku no Sexual Harassment is astonishing. Very Happy Jūrōta Kosugi (Asuma Sarutobi, Arlong), Houchu Ohtsuka (Jiraiya, Ajin's Satō), Akira Ishida (Gaara, Katsura, Rakugo's Kikuhiko), Toshiyuki Morikawa (Griffith, 4th Hokage), and Takehito Koyasu (everything ever made), among others with respectable resumes of their own.

Morikawa and Koyasu were also the leads in Legend of the Blue Wolves, another notoriously explicit yaoi ova. Doesn't seem to have hurt any of these people's careers. Is there more of a stigma for female seiyū in straight hentai?


Yes. Nobody expects male seiyuu to be "pure."
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People who balk at doing jobs they're hired to do, or being a big pain in the butt for their co-workers and superiors because they don't like the content, often damages your career. That's true of nearly every aspect of the media business. This isn't exclusive to Japan or Japanese people working on anime. I certainly don't enjoy every title I've worked on, and I REALLY wish I didn't have to work on some of the more disturbing hentai that was so prominent in my early career. But I kept my head down and I did my best, which is what most creative professionals do in these situations.


Well, these are the right words, but sometimes when I see a portfolio of some seiyu, it seems to me that they deliberately avoid any controversial and uncomfortable roles / shows.

For example, my favorite Inori Minase, which is very difficult to meet in the ecchi show or some very silly anime. Yes, she had Bad Guy roles in anime like Mahou Shoujo Rising Progect and Symphogear, or frankly caricature lesbian side characters in Gabriel DropOut, but it never went any further. It is possible that it is because of this that she doesn't appear so often in anime, like other seiyu, but this is only my guess.
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Lord Oink



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:19 pm Reply with quote
Ojamajo LimePie wrote:
Yes. Nobody expects male seiyuu to be "pure."


Poppycock. Just ask Miyano Mamoru who's wife was sent death threats and wishes that she would miscarry their child when fujos found out.
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Lord Oink wrote:
Ojamajo LimePie wrote:
Yes. Nobody expects male seiyuu to be "pure."


Poppycock. Just ask Miyano Mamoru who's wife was sent death threats and wishes that she would miscarry their child when fujos found out.


I can believe it, if you remember that even an light joke about Ritsu and Yui's "boyfriends" in K-ON! caused a great flame war and accusations that the "author made girls sluts". But for the first time I hear that this has happened with male seiyuu.
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ninjamitsuki wrote:
I'm more curious about people that animate hentai... I wouldn't doubt some of them have families. Imagine going home to your spouse and kids after animating a scene in Boku no Pico...


too late. the VAs for that OVA as well as those from others like otokonoko delivery and natsuyasumi period have already made regrets on being in those roles in a recent con in japan a while back. its more or less why there haven't been any new ones since. NO ONE WANTS TO DO IT and to be frank i really cant blame them! otherwise there would be more of them, including an adaptation of some of the digital g power ero games!

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Voice actors, especially junior ones, especially have to take what they can get. This can sometimes lead to regrets about it later, particularly when it comes to adult material. Kikuko Inoue famously asked a licensor not to allow the original Japanese voice track to the softcore hentai OVA Ogenki Clinic to be re-released, out of embarrassment over her participation in that title. But such favors are big asks, and it's very rare for a voice actor to ask for something like that.


not surprising. unless that person is an uber otaku & that would have ZERO issue with voicing in a hentai role years later, they would be steeming with regrets and embarrassment. even some of the most well known western VAs that got their start from a hentai role in the 80's or 90's WILL NEVER want to talk about it at all!

personally i don't see the issue really. i mean when i made an attempt to audition for a role for fuzzy lips when MB announced an open audition on their facebook page back in 2017 for NY/NJ residents, i jumped at the chance, ero role or not!

though i am more surprise that answerman is only talking about ero series and not any non ero series that are as just as controversial like angel sanctuary and koi kaze where to this day some of the cast still have regrets being in those series!
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