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NEWS: Anime with Disaster Scenes Face Changes After Quake

Good lord, at this rate, I'm willing to say that nearly everyone here, regardless of which side, is overreacting.

Where did it say that these edits are going to be permanent? That is what everyone here is assuming. If anything, they're probably just going to be temporary and things will return once everything settles down there.

Of course that cannot be said for certain things still being produced and having such scenes changed during production, but is it going to affect everything like you all assume it will? I don't think so.

I don't see why people are getting so up-tight about this, especially because we don't live in Japan and therefore have no say in what they show, leading to never-ending debates between both sides.

but to remove everything with disaster-like scenarios would probably eliminate a third of anime. There's a reason to express some concern to not go overboard.

J-Syxx wrote:

but to remove everything with disaster-like scenarios would probably eliminate a third of anime. There's a reason to express some concern to not go overboard.

That was what I was directing to. I honestly doubt they'll remove everything for a long period of time. It'll be temporary, as it has always been.

And last time I checked, not all anime and manga is about earthquakes, tidal waves and nuclear disasters, among other things. There are a few yes, but you make it seem like nearly all of them do.

Everyone is blowing this out of proportion.

Obviously not moe and harem anime

J-Syxx wrote:

Obviously not moe and harem anime

*Sigh*

And not everything is moe or harem either.

Also, yes I do expect anime and manga to have a lot of destruction, millions have them, and I know that as a fact. But some things are more specific than others. Take an anime where a guy walks into a building and goes on a shoot-out massacre, or an anime where a little robot boy shoots a gigantic laser beam to destroy a space ship, those would still be considered 'acceptable' after these circumstances. But take an anime that has heavy scenes of massive earthquakes, gigantic tidal waves or nuclear wars, those would not be, because those are very specific. Those cannot be shown so soon after the horrible disasters there, and can be saved for later.

You seem to think that every. single. anime/manga. with destruction will be banned, cut or ceased in production because of what happened in Japan. No, that's a dumb assumption.

Yes, obviously mecha anime that only take place in the void of space don't have cities getting devestated. Thanks for pointing that out for a all of us.

J-Syxx wrote:

Yes, obviously mecha anime that only take place in the void of space don't have cities getting devestated. Thanks for pointing that out for a all of us.

When did I say that? Rather, I know for certain that there are mecha works that DO have cities being devastated. Gundam Seed comes to mind. But you also have to keep in mind that those cities were being devastated by advanced technology, NOT earthquakes and tsunamis. There is a difference, something you failed to notice.

I am getting real sick of your attitude. What the heck is your problem? All you have been doing is unneeded trolling.

And naive? For stating that people still have a right to criticize? There is no pleasing you.

everydaygamer wrote:

to be expected i guess, similar things happened with tv shows after 9-11.

True. Man, I can barely remember that... but I'm glad they chose to do that, and so I'm glad Japan is doing the same with their tragedy.

This is wrong.

I can understand people being traumatized by the incident, and rightly so, but this action still falls victim to sensationalist censorship.

No matter how bad an incident, I'm a firm believer in not caving in to people's emotions. If you have a story to tell, tell it unrestrained.

Ashen Phoenix wrote:

everydaygamer wrote: to be expected i guess, similar things happened with tv shows after 9-11. True. Man, I can barely remember that... but I'm glad they chose to do that, and so I'm glad Japan is doing the same with their tragedy.

I don't agree because Nickelodeon used 9/11 as an excuse to cancel Invader Zim. It was a cartoon "too violent and mature", featuring an alien who liked to blow crap up while in various disguises. This was considered too similar to 9/11 somehow.

This is off Rikki (voice of GIR) & Tavi Simmons tavicat.com website

The link for the page
http://www.tavicat.com/updates.html

Text from the page
********************
Updates

01/20/2002
What has happened to Invader Zim?

On Thursday 1-17-02, at around 5:20 PM, only a few hours after we finished
recording the Christmas episode, all of the Zim crew was called into the
lounge area for an emergency announcement.
There, Jhonen and Mary Harrington broke the news that Nickelodeon was
reducing its order for 20 second season Zim episodes down to 6, bringing the
series at an end at episode 26, and making us, as a crew, finished as well.
The next day all of the story board artists and writers were asked to clean
out their offices and be gone by 5 PM.
As a colorist my last day will be March 1, but as a voice actor, I doubt
I'll ever get a chance to voice GIR again.
This makes me terribly sad. I wasn't ready to stop being that insane little
robot.
I don't think any of the crew wanted to stop working on the show... at least
not like this.
We thought we had another year of work in the least, and many were
unprepared as a result.
This doesn't feel real just yet. I keep thinking that I accidentally walked
into another dimension while I wasn't paying attention; I keep expecting to
look over my should to see the dimension where everything is as it should be
rapidly moving away.
I don't know what to feel other than shock and sadness.
I know all we did was make a silly cartoon show, but all of us were very
emotionally attached to these characters and situations, and we were so very
eager to make the public laugh.
Tavisha will be assisting us with a handful of backgrounds as we reach the
end.
After that, I don't know what's next. I'll post here as soon as I know.
There are still 16 episodes of Zim that the public hasn't seen.
I believe Nickelodeon will start showing them in March 2002.
Please watch and we hope you will all enjoy. Thank you.

I wouldn't say "creatively spent" so much as sick to death of not
being able to bludgeon a child with a hammer on screen. It's sort of
a sick thing to say but when I got the call telling me the show was
cancelled, I was probably the happiest person on the planet, and
immediately went to an amusement park with some friends. Gave me time
to actually watch cartoons again. ZIM was my baby, but man was it a
relief to see that baby get a bullet in the head. What parent can't
relate?! Anyone? Anyone?

I love animation, but children's animation is just definitely not on
my list of things to try again. I dig plenty of so called "kids'
shows" (Tartovsky's included) out there, but I have no interest in
making another one by this point, which doesn't mean I would stay
away from animation altogether. It has, however, made me feel in no
hurry to get back into it. Since ZIM ended, I've been contacted by a
few other studios and networks, but it's usually a younger crowd
they're trying to reach so I say thanks but no thanks. Kids get
enough attention as it is. I have to admit, when people would tell me
their kids would actually cover their eyes or run screaming from some
scene in INVADER ZIM, I was so fuckin' proud. That's not the kind of
guy you want creating a show sandwiched between Rocket Powered and
Fairly Oddparents.

Tartovsky's a pretty serious animation guy from the world of
animation. Me? I made an animated show and almost killed myself
doing it, but it's not really where I'm from. I had the chance, and
went for it. I'd nearly kill myself again, but I would have to be way
more careful about where and how I do it.

Jhonen V

littlegreenwolf wrote:

Ashen Phoenix wrote: everydaygamer wrote: to be expected i guess, similar things happened with tv shows after 9-11. True. Man, I can barely remember that... but I'm glad they chose to do that, and so I'm glad Japan is doing the same with their tragedy. I don't agree because Nickelodeon used 9/11 as an excuse to cancel Invader Zim. It was a cartoon "too violent and mature", featuring an alien who liked to blow crap up while in various disguises. This was considered too similar to 9/11 somehow.

It's not that simple. They may have used it as an excuse, but Nick and Invader Zim creator Jhonen Vasquez had been at odds long before that.

This is how they found out they were cancelled on Jan 17th 2002:

alt.gothic wrote:

This is off Rikki (voice of GIR) & Tavi Simmons tavicat.com website The link for the page http://www.tavicat.com/updates.html Text from the page ******************** Updates 01/20/2002 What has happened to Invader Zim? On Thursday 1-17-02, at around 5:20 PM, only a few hours after we finished recording the Christmas episode, all of the Zim crew was called into the lounge area for an emergency announcement. There, Jhonen and Mary Harrington broke the news that Nickelodeon was reducing its order for 20 second season Zim episodes down to 6, bringing the series at an end at episode 26, and making us, as a crew, finished as well. The next day all of the story board artists and writers were asked to clean out their offices and be gone by 5 PM. As a colorist my last day will be March 1, but as a voice actor, I doubt I'll ever get a chance to voice GIR again. This makes me terribly sad. I wasn't ready to stop being that insane little robot. I don't think any of the crew wanted to stop working on the show... at least not like this. We thought we had another year of work in the least, and many were unprepared as a result. This doesn't feel real just yet. I keep thinking that I accidentally walked into another dimension while I wasn't paying attention; I keep expecting to look over my should to see the dimension where everything is as it should be rapidly moving away. I don't know what to feel other than shock and sadness. I know all we did was make a silly cartoon show, but all of us were very emotionally attached to these characters and situations, and we were so very eager to make the public laugh. Tavisha will be assisting us with a handful of backgrounds as we reach the end. After that, I don't know what's next. I'll post here as soon as I know. There are still 16 episodes of Zim that the public hasn't seen. I believe Nickelodeon will start showing them in March 2002. Please watch and we hope you will all enjoy. Thank you.

And this from Jhonen V himself:

rec.arts.animation wrote:

I wouldn't say "creatively spent" so much as sick to death of not being able to bludgeon a child with a hammer on screen. It's sort of a sick thing to say but when I got the call telling me the show was cancelled, I was probably the happiest person on the planet, and immediately went to an amusement park with some friends. Gave me time to actually watch cartoons again. ZIM was my baby, but man was it a relief to see that baby get a bullet in the head. What parent can't relate?! Anyone? Anyone? I love animation, but children's animation is just definitely not on my list of things to try again. I dig plenty of so called "kids' shows" (Tartovsky's included) out there, but I have no interest in making another one by this point, which doesn't mean I would stay away from animation altogether. It has, however, made me feel in no hurry to get back into it. Since ZIM ended, I've been contacted by a few other studios and networks, but it's usually a younger crowd they're trying to reach so I say thanks but no thanks. Kids get enough attention as it is. I have to admit, when people would tell me their kids would actually cover their eyes or run screaming from some scene in INVADER ZIM, I was so fuckin' proud. That's not the kind of guy you want creating a show sandwiched between Rocket Powered and Fairly Oddparents. Tartovsky's a pretty serious animation guy from the world of animation. Me? I made an animated show and almost killed myself doing it, but it's not really where I'm from. I had the chance, and went for it. I'd nearly kill myself again, but I would have to be way more careful about where and how I do it. Jhonen V

So Jhonen was not really unhappy that Zim ended.

And to call being against censorship a "vague internet ideal" is down right scary.