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TitanXL
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Just because something is legal doesn't change the fact it hurts the developers. Yes, you can buy a used game just fine and it's perfectly legal. You're still denying the developers of a sale, though. There's no real argument against that.
Just like just because something is illegal doesn't make it morally wrong (jaywalking) What's legal and what's moral are two separate things. Gamestop managed to make a huge empire out of something completely legal that screws over game developers. That's why they're geniuses; legally they're untouchable, morally, they're slime. Online game passes like the one you linked to are things game developers have to resort to to make up for it, and when the gamers criticize them for it and see it as some 'greedy money grab' as opposed to the 'Oh god, please help us Gamesotp is bleeding us dry' it is. It all plays into Gamestop's hands, and unfortunately most people don't realize this and continue to live obliviously. |
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Tamaria
 Posts: 1512 Location: De Achterhoek |
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Yep, and as soon as those consumers let go of that 'FIRST, FIRST, FIRST!'-mentality, Gamestop will lose its power. It's all about playing new games as fast as possible and as cheap as possible. Even if that means paying 5-10 bucks less than retail and only keeping the game for a week...
I mean, sheesh, it's entertaintment, not an e-peen enlargement. |
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ArsenicSteel
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Providing a way for consumers to sell back their stuff and buy used products is a good service that is not morally reprehensible. All they did was tap into a secondary market. This secondary market is not the same market as the new game market, there is some overlap. Gamestop sells more new games than any other brick and mortar chain in the US. As a customer I attribute that to being able to subsidized new game purchases by selling back games.
That is just a new excuse. First, 49.99 for a game was not cost effective so publishers hiked the price up to 59.99 in the last gaming generation. The publishers weren't happy with that price for long and have been slowly implementing locked on disc content, online passes, and Horse Armor packs as a way to drain the milk money from the gullible masses. |
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EireformContinent
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Well, it seems that they just copied the idea already existing in world of books. Surprisingly antiquaries didn't manage to kill book publishing and nobody accused them of hurting any industry. |
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ss-hikaru
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I see! Thanks for the info, I'll let her know about that =) |
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TitanXL
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Well for one thing it costs considerably less to publish a book than it does to make a game. Games can be upwards of hundreds of millions of dollars; akin to a Hollywood blockbuster movie (and a lot of them are pretty much just that in this day and age). Books really only have publishing costs when the actual content are words typed onto a word processor from the authors brains, while games require software, coding, graphic designers, testers, and all that jazz. It also helps that books are a fraction of the price of a game to begin with. Books are a lot less risky than video games are. My bottom line was more "pirating or buying used, the creator still isn't seeing the money either way; one is just legal and the other is illegal"
Compared to the 89.99 we used to pay for 16 bit games, it's not so bad. I'm not saying game developers are shining paragons of innocence all the times. Over-reliance on DLC this generation has been awful, but yeah, if they can make money that way, I guess they can as well. You can't trade in DLC and buy it used. |
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ArsenicSteel
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I don't know what we you are referring to. The most I paid for a 16-bit game was 75.99 for Samurai Showdown. Everything else was mostly 49.99 or just a tad higher. |
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Tamaria
Posts: 1512 Location: De Achterhoek |
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The original Phantasy Star was that expensive and Conker´s Bad Furday cost a furtune as well. Not exactly 16-bit games though...
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agila61
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Adjusting according to the CPI, $49.99 in 1990 dollars is $82.83 in 2010 dollars. |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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Turok II was definitely up there... |
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Juno016
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I wish I had a little more time to go through and read everyone's comments. I apologize if this has been covered already here, but...
I don't think Brian actually meant anything THAT harsh about buying used copies of anime or manga. I think his point was that buying new products is much more beneficial to the industry than buying used copies, so if we feel like the industry is important, we should prioritize our support for that industry over saving money, assuming our priorities aren't already essential to our own well-being. If you are buying used copies because you just like that extra saving money and not because you wouldn't be able to buy it otherwise, you're doing something legal, but considering nothing is going to the original artists, maybe you should think a little more about the consequences in the wider picture. Not that you're doing anything wrong by doing so in the conventional sense. It's just that the industry is hurting right now, so those few extra bucks can be extremely important for it (especially since there aren't any clear solutions to the problems the industry is having right now, so they can't simply "digitalize" or take advantage of some of the same things as other entertainment industries). Thus, the more help the industry can get, the better. On the other hand, maybe "shame" isn't the right word for it, Brian... But as for me, I sell products I've used so I can afford more new products. And when I buy used products, I'm usually doing it so I can save up the extra money for that OTHER new thing I'm looking forward to. |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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Hey now I take care of my stuff pretty decently and my local book stores only take near mint condition materials. Now here is something I am wanting to ask you since I do buy some out of print manga "future diary, Deadmand Wonderland" Is there really any other way to get these titles non used due in part that the company dead?? The same goes for genon usa titles such as karin which is re-selling online for 180$ used or Higurashi re-selling for over 200$ used. Then there is rightstuf which is great store but has old titles in their bargain bin from old adv, genon, bandai titles that are no longer licensed or in print. So is buying them new for 4.00$ per dvd helping the industry in any-way?? |
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kakoishii
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 good grief try reading the whole post instead of keying in on the first line that was purposely melodramatic for the sake of irony
understandable and all but at the end of the day, as much as it might not be very thoughtful to say, that's not really my problem. That's not to say I never buy anything new, I definitely do, but I am very frugal. I'll buy an anime box set 3-4 months after the release banking on a price drop or wait until rightstuf has another sale so I can get something at a reduced price. You'll never catch me paying $75 for those Madoka LEs because for me it doesn't make any economical sense as far as my expenses go. If it makes sense for someone else, great for them, but I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to pay top dollar for everything, or worse make them feel guilty for not paying full retail price. I mean seriously, what has this fandom come to if it's now not only looking viciously at pirates but also at the ones who buy legit but second hand? |
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Sunday Silence
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Given how people are frustrated at the "entitled" anime/manga fans out there, sometimes differentiating between a legitimate way (buying used goods) vs. illegal way (torrents, going to scanlation sites, etc.) is blurred. |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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I know that feeling all to well. Talking to or convincing someone is huge pain in the ass. Still I don't see the problem of buying out of print products I do it all the time with sega saturn/dream cast games or snes. I get the sense that when something is licensed recused support that company for doing so I do when it's title that is hard to come by. However being a collector I prefer single dvd's with art boxes, instead of over cramming 4-6 dvd's in one set. Again this just my personal preference for product that's available. |
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