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Kougeru
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This so much. The first time I saw a Junior Idol group my jaw just dropped for the entire video. Heck, even an early Momoiro Clover video had me pretty stunned....It was the video for Coco☆nuts (ココ☆ナツ). The title for this alone, calling it "child porn comics" or whatever is already really biased and disgusts me. Best part of the article, ""I'm not comfortable with it, but it is not my right to tell people how they think or what they want to share," he says. "As long as it doesn't infringe upon people's human rights, what's wrong with having a fantasy life?"" |
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mgosdin
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This is the BBC putting this article out? Same BBC that has had all sorts of issues recently with the discovery that long time producers & personalities were abusing kids for years or was it decades? ( Yes, I know it's Radio vs TV but still. )
I does really boil down to differentiating between fantasy & reality, which from I've seen isn't a strong point of the BBC or certain elements of the press in general. Now, where'd I put my salt? I'm gonna need a big dose to get past this one. Mark Gosdin |
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-Madoka-
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Yeah this is what i think, it seems not so much one sided but it's worded in such a way where the only way to respond is with a defensive, you can't argue well when they call it child porn... this is how i have been reading the whole artical, the sad thing is, you know the interview will be done in such a manor, and honestly anyone who doesn't actually know manga/anime culture (aka most of the people who will listen to this) will only be given a negative image of Japan and the manga/anime culture as a whole, i believe the correct terminology for this broadcast should be used, they can either explain what manga and anime is/means or they can substitute it with comic but not refer to genre(s) as 'child porn' as this turns a inquisition into a interrogation
though i kind of worded it different, this is what i mean anyway
It is sad to say but i would say this argument has fair right to it, it's the same as parents crying their infants play them GTA games and then cry it's a bad image, the game is 18 for a reason (i assume it's 18... i don't play them) so if that is the case why cry. Same here, they are 18 so younger impressions affected should be nill or little. But okay they aren't saying that i guess, as you said murder in a series is murder, can't allow that, it will either encourage murder in reality or corrupt our minds in some way because humans can't decipher fiction or reality. I find it sad reality not only has troubles pulling fictional worlds from the real one but also how stupid the population is anyway. (sorry for the large quote count, i get carried away with topics >.<) |
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Hameyadea
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Is Japan pushing, or allowing, too much that whole "become pre-teen idol so you'll be successful and recognized"? Probably yes. Should Japan be singled out for it? No. The abundance of "reality"-shows, where people are knowingly embarrassing themselves to get that 5-, 2-, 1-, or half-a-minute "moment in the spotlight" is just as bad in Japan as it's in most of the Western culture (Twerking, 'nuff said). Regarding the BBC article: It is clearly, first and foremost, a click-bait. They want the audience's attention, so they'll go after want'll bring the Netizens to them. It isn't the first time they've done it, and even more blatantly at times. About the lolis: They are justice! Don't badmouth them 
In all seriousness though, I understand why some people might be upset when lolis are presented they way they are in most anime & manga (note: I'm not referring to those aren't accepting anime & manga as a valid entertainment medium, those people will blacklist almost anything related to it), but the one big thing to notice is that, in the end of the day, those are fictional characters. As long as it is presented in a manner that isn't spiteful - I saw the anime Yosuga no Sora mentioned here earlier in one of the posts; Personally, I liked the overall idea, but disliked the execution. Broadcasting a show with those themes at 12 PM, 5 PM or 8 PM would be troublesome, but broadcasting it at 12 AM, 2 AM or 4 AM shouldn't pose a problem. TL;DR Some people will frown over the depiction of lolis in anime & manga, but as long as there isn't a bad intent, is shouldn't be a problem. |
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Ojamajo LimePie
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It's annoying when non-lolicon works are mislabled as lolicon by people with no knowledge of anime. With the exception of one tapestry, none of the art on display in the article is 'lolicon'.
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Cutiebunny
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I read this on the Beeb yesterday and was appalled. The article is very biased. The writer, James Fletcher, equates a statue of a teen girl wearing a short skirt as encouraging child porn. It's apparent that Fletcher can not make the differentiation between drawn media and media featuring real humans, as every other sentence boils down to "Even though it's drawn and features high school aged girls, it's still kiddie porn".
While I personally find junior idol groups wearing skimpy outfits and dancing provocatively to be appalling, I have no problem with drawn characters doing those things. I agree with Kanemitsu's point of view. I also would like to point out that I would rather those that enjoy looking at erotic images of girls to have drawn characters that allow them to safely release that pent up desire instead of possibly committing a crime with a real child. Granted, not everyone who likes schoolgirls is going to go and commit a crime, but there are some that would and, as groping is an issue in Japan, obviously do. It seems to be that the BBC is just trying to drum up some viewership, and it's clearly working as this particular article has been one of the most popular articles on their website for the last two days. Although, I would speculate that a large part of their readership is due to anime fans, worldwide, linking it on their sites and coming to similar conclusions. |
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-Madoka-
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the legit way to see things. From a outsider prospective i could understand the concern around the whole loli thing, but it is down to how it's handled, honestly i think this paragraph should be quoted and read to the BBC, see THEIR response to this, they might try correcting you with calling their 'child porn' cards though. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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But they can scrub the streets and airwaves as well as make conventions harder to set up and attend. |
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firedragon54738
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Anther idoit going on about lolis in manga no wonder the media is dying
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sonicgx11
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Wasn't very studious in my first 2 years in high school and same with her, so I broke up with her to move on But yeah, I find it disgusting , to me it makes Japan look bad, if their selling books of little girls ####ing grown men, then yeah something is wrong especially the people who buys it. My current girlfriend and I watch a lot of anime, but when it comes to those , Its just a big flat out NOPE |
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configspace
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I notice the written BBC article is conflating adolescence with prepubescence. They appear to be applying the legal definition and implying that looking at 17 year old, anyone in a school uniform, or any "elfin-faced, doe-eyed cartoon heroines, many of them scantily clad and impossibly proportioned," makes you a lolicon -- those big boobs won't save you, so long as they're wearing school uniforms or have moe faces, if the author and other advocates gets their way:
Which of course advocates want to do. But the troubling part is the continued push for it and moreover, a larger agenda to effectively scrub any remnants of the liberal norms Japan had up to start of the Meiji period:
Dan Kanemetsu had already discussed this as the reason for the arrests of the ero-comic publishers (due to insufficient censoring) and IMO that vagina lady as part of this larger agenda. Last edited by configspace on Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:30 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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kanechin
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no clicks for bbc, f*** off fletcher and similar thinking ilk.
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mrsatan
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As soon as I heard "BBC" I knew what kind of slant this story would have. The UK has always had a bizarre, perverted view of anime and manga and they also have a pedophile hysteria going because of that Jimmy Saville scandal and the fallout of all that. Fathers taking pictures of their own children are being accused of being a "nonce" over there now.
So hacks like this author can get all kinds of revenue by feeding into that hysteria, creating a new boogeyman for the British people to fear-- The Lolicon. |
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Greboruri
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It’s not just Otaku Culture, it’s the sex industry and anything else the TMG feels embarrassed about. I don’t know is they’re still planning to do it, but they were going to move Kabukicho out to Odaiba. The fish market is moving in a year or two as well so they can build athlete accommodation on the site, I think. Removing the “grime” from a city and sanitising isn’t a good idea. You end up with a sterile, boring city. Despite the problems with it, Shinjuku wouldn’t be the same without Kabukicho. Tourists flock to the Robot Restaurant. Sanitising everything about Tokyo including pop culture isn’t going to go down well with tourists in the long run or with the locals who work in those industries or use them. |
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Wtv
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Probably because having sex with teenager still is a bad thing. So sexualize them should be too. But west has things like American Pie and Scary Movie, so that's kinda hipocrisy. But really. They were in akiba. And still, the better example they could get was two non-sexual figures from Go! Go! 575? Seriously? |
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