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EP. REVIEW: Made in Abyss: The Golden City of the Scorching Sun


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danpmss



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:42 pm Reply with quote
NeverConvex wrote:


EDIT: The Reg scenes from the movie (which actually had me wondering if I was going to watch this season; probably good for my emotional readiness that we had a 2-year break) bothered me more than the butt-centric stuff in the latest episode, although that was also uncomfortable. The .. implied rape of the girl in the past flashbacks, if I read that scene correctly? .. was also one of those moments where I was on edge, and just very thankful they didn't linger on it. I lean pretty strongly towards a lot of the fixation on children's reproductive & digestive organs being creepy in a way that doesn't elevate the narrative. On the other hand, the show also has a lot of places where body horror is used to incredible effect. It's probably hard to reach into the author's head and separate where those two streams are coming from; I wonder if an author with a lesser amount of weird creepiness going on would have managed to be as effective elsewhere.


Luckily for you, the anime seems to have some minimal decency on toning down a bit of the perverted nature of the manga here and there, so, if we are lucky, spoiler[they will spare us from that stupid toilet cunilingus portion entirely ].

Otherwise, it's coming right up in the next episode iirc.
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John the Dark Lord



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:57 pm Reply with quote
NeverConvex wrote:
Some of the other features of the town feel less in step with that theme, though. Like -- I was expecting Prushka found some truly terrible fate, but she was, apparently, enjoying the hell out of being physically reformed into a musical instrument? What's the, uh, like, moral, there? ... if you happen to form a deep father-daughter connection with a pathologically cruel semi-immortal evil scientist and he turns you into a forever suffering goop creature, being physically transmogrified into a tool for other peoples' creative expression is, uh, a pleasant step up the commodification ladder?


When Majikajya said an instrument turns a person's will into sound, he meant Prushka's will in this particular case. She became a Life-Reverberating Stone, which is the relic used to make a White Whistle, except she still hasn't be made into one. Which means she doesn't have all the functions of a White Whistle, including the ability to fully convey her will to Riko. She is happy about what's happening to her because it will allow her to interact more with her friends and be more helpful in the journey.
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Yttrbio



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:01 pm Reply with quote
NeverConvex wrote:
The 'equal value' idea also seemed a bit weird to me at first (suggesting that there's any objective way to balance "value" - or, utility - across different people causes microeconomists' brains to short-circuit), but in retrospect this just looks like a comment on the practical consequence of commodifying the human body and then equalizing Marx's "exchange-value".
That short-circuit is exactly what the show is showing. The muppet doesn't get ripped apart because its body is worth a certain amount compared to Meinya's harm, it's because Riko declared the value of Meinya's life to be super high. The "coins" aren't currency, they're literally utils, which is all well and good when exchanges are voluntary, but approaches nonsense like this when trying to determine the "price" after an involuntary exchange. (Sort of like "pain and suffering" compensation in a lawsuit, which exists, but is basically a made-up number defined by decisionmakers' relative sympathy towards the parties)

James definitely does have a "when all you have is a hammer and sickle, every problem looks like capitalism" streak (see his blaming capitalism for the death of the dude in Parallel World Pharmacy), so I mostly roll my eyes when I see it in a review, and just assume viewers are spending more time thinking about real-world parallels than the author is. The idea of subjective value balancing is a neat, crazy idea, made substantially less interesting the more you try to hammer it into a parallel for real-world economic systems, at which point it's basically astrology.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:23 pm Reply with quote
Made in Abyss is my favorite anime by far and also it is very hard to truly shock me to the point where I stop watching something fictional (though I'm squeamish af with anything actually real, both in terms of gore and gross-out content).
But even I have a hard time defending certain things at times and have rolled my eyes at it. And I have long convinced myself that the author has some kind of "weird/disturbing kinks" checklist he's trying to work through, including each and every one on the list at least once throughout the story.

It obviously hasn't made me not enjoy this story as of yet and while some sussy stuff I actually think benefits the story, even if just in very subtle ways, there still is some of it that I would agree could just be taken out and not included in the anime adaptation without losing anything of real value for anyone except those who have those specific kinks and want to see those kinks explored with these specific characters.

And because of that, I have to caveat the HECC out of my recommendation whenever someone asks me about my favorite anime and also just flat-out don't recommend it to some people at all and can completely understand when someone is uncomfortable with this show and just can't enjoy it.
As much as I do enjoy it, I can't blame anyone who thinks these elements ruin whatever else is making it great.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:29 pm Reply with quote
danpmss wrote:


Luckily for you, the anime seems to have some minimal decency on toning down a bit of the perverted nature of the manga here and there, so, if we are lucky, spoiler[they will spare us from that stupid toilet cunilingus portion entirely ].

Otherwise, it's coming right up in the next episode iirc.



(perhaps I'll win the Mega-Millions(a lottery currently at $600m+))
I doubt luck will alter that event airing next episode.
Seeing this episode went ahead and tee'ed it up.
But I'm a half empty kinda person.
Then again it'll have to get past the censors,if adapted in full?
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yeehaw



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:03 am Reply with quote
-The op this season is so good. I love it so much
-I can deal with the body horror and the weird child fetischization, but man i can’t handle scat stuff and I think they’ve mention shit in all 3 eps so far.
-I also thought of capitalism in the hollow town, not because it was exactly that but because putting a value on everything, even life is pretty capitalistic why are people writing essays mad about it. (Rhetoric question dont answer)
The magically appearing coins confuse me. Like how do they do that? It seems like they’re just creating things out of nothing and I don’t remember anything tjat explains that, and it seems like a pretty weird thing to just have happen without explaination
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:59 am Reply with quote
After the great 2D creature animation in season 1, the Movie and mostly season 2. It was jarring to suddenly see a abstractly out of place 3D model. To be fair to them, it does have a lot of line mileage, and it must be hard enough already with all the creature designs for a TV Anime.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:45 am Reply with quote
This is a great show but as others have mentioned the creators' lollicon fetish and fascination with robot boy's dick and all the goddamn blood and gore are f**king disgusting. I don't think it would really diminish the shows impact all that much if all of that shit were toned down by say-50%. The world building in this show is second to none and the overall story and plot are fascinating to watch unfold every week-but still............!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:33 am Reply with quote
MarshalBanana wrote:
After the great 2D creature animation in season 1, the Movie and mostly season 2. It was jarring to suddenly see a abstractly out of place 3D model. To be fair to them, it does have a lot of line mileage, and it must be hard enough already with all the creature designs for a TV Anime.


I was actually ok with it since it's Majakaja. In a village full of bizarre and uncanny beings, I like that they gave us that extra visual cue that their body is just a puppet shell. I think it was probably purposeful rather than a cost/work-cutting choice.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:07 am Reply with quote
So as Reg came from the pit - I assume that makes him a type of robot-boy hollow or am I missing something?

Also why isn't Riko being affected? Is it because she's already a hollow/zombie because of what happened when she was born and stuck inside the magic box?

again a bit too much kink as many of the hollows looked like dildo's
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:11 am Reply with quote
Penrhos wrote:
So as Reg came from the pit - I assume that makes him a type of robot-boy hollow or am I missing something?


spoiler[Reg isn't a human being]

Penrhos wrote:
Also why isn't Riko being affected? Is it because she's already a hollow/zombie because of what happened when she was born and stuck inside the magic box?


spoiler[It's the nature of the village]

I don't think those are spoilers as of the newest episode, but marked them anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:15 pm Reply with quote
Penrhos wrote:
So as Reg came from the pit - I assume that makes him a type of robot-boy hollow or am I missing something?

Also why isn't Riko being affected? Is it because she's already a hollow/zombie because of what happened when she was born and stuck inside the magic box?

The curse of the Abyss only kicks in when you try to go UP in the Abyss, with stronger effects kicking in the faster you go or the deeper you're starting from. Reg's isn't affected because he's a robot, while Riko has been very careful to basically only move downward (except for here in town where she's specifically told the curse won't affect her because the "force field" that carries it isn't present within its walls, can't remember if there was a similar exemption for Mad Daddy's Mad Science Land).
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Electric Wooloo



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:52 pm Reply with quote
pi8you wrote:
Penrhos wrote:
So as Reg came from the pit - I assume that makes him a type of robot-boy hollow or am I missing something?

Also why isn't Riko being affected? Is it because she's already a hollow/zombie because of what happened when she was born and stuck inside the magic box?

The curse of the Abyss only kicks in when you try to go UP in the Abyss, with stronger effects kicking in the faster you go or the deeper you're starting from. Reg's isn't affected because he's a robot, while Riko has been very careful to basically only move downward (except for here in town where she's specifically told the curse won't affect her because the "force field" that carries it isn't present within its walls, can't remember if there was a similar exemption for Mad Daddy's Mad Science Land).


Uncle Bondrewd's No Fun Very Bad Idofront Gravitron did not have any anti-curse technology. Layer 5s curse is derealization and depersonalization. Riko experienced it when searching for Reg and Nanachi experienced it when spoiler[Idofront exploded and Nanachi went flying]
There is in general no way to stop the curse, with the exception being the village as a special place. There are however ways to transfer your to someone else (Bondrewd's worst Capri Sun capsules), places where it is weaker and thus takes longer to affect you (further from the center of the Abyss like Nanachi's hideout) and because it is the quantifiable forcefield that causes the curse beings (like Nanachi and most wildlife) that can see said forcefield can use that information to navigate through weaker parts, though you're never able to fully stop it.

It does seem that some creatures in the abyss are immune to it, like the big long necked giraffe things from episode 2 that "move with complete disregard to the curse" but whether that's because of their special biology or because layer 6 in particular with it's curse being "loss of humanity" doesn't affect non-humans is unknown.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:46 am Reply with quote
I think it's interesting that so many ardent proponents for this series seem to read somewhat sensitively into its fetishistic elements, both because in my experience it's pretty much always contextualized as a kind of kink horror show out in the wider anime fandom, and because even a cursory examination is liable to identify that as the primary currency it's trading in. That's not in and of itself a knock against it; every horny has its day and if this is hitting the right buttons (or vital organs!) for a specific subset of (literal?) torture porn aficionados, that's all bloody well and good for them. Razz There's also something to be said for the pure chutzpah showcased in a high profile production resolving purportedly dramatic character interludes with robot boner gags at reliable frequency.

On the other hand it also showcases wafer-thin characterization, an excess of dead-end plot beats, and a pretension towards narrative stakes so flimsy it would make a Halloween reboot film blush. Every episode leaves me wondering how much more it could mine from the rich thematic tapestry of man (loli?) vs nature and the dehumanizing consequences of unbridled ambition towards intellectual dominion if it wasn't constrained (some might even say gagged and bound Surprised) by its transparent video game trappings; equip the right items, find the right party members, learn the boss monster's move sets, spoiler[unlock eroge scenes], and when all of that fails, just enter the "Robot Boner" cheat code to skip to the next level, err, I mean "layer." The format leaves little room for anything more than one maximalist gross-out routine sketchily threaded to the next by world-building so perfunctory it might as well be the most recent season of Westworld.

Which is why it makes for an alluring contradiction to see those same qualities it sells itself on and which it was clearly conceived around met with such skepticism by a contingency who appear to prefer it exist for some other higher purpose. Maybe it just hasn't quite committed to the bit yet a la a Mad God. spoiler[Toilet cunnilingus sounds promising.]

Maybe I also shouldn't have binged the whole thing in one week. I was hoping if I dived deep enough I'd become a cute fluffy bunny but instead I just got goop'd because my bf doesn't love me enough to ride this elevator with me. :'(
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:35 am Reply with quote
Jesus Christ, am I having a stroke?
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