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I think I would have to agree with Ryllharu, that kind of mentality is spoiled. You're the counter part to sub only 'tards, and recently the "I won't buy without a dub" attitude sounds no less ridiculous than any dub hater out there. Heck, they at least can enjoy a series for it's actual merits. You've already acknowledged the problems with the market and niche titles, who the cares if you're not going to buy it without a dub? It's getting kind of annoying seeing people say that in every sub only review when it's happening for obvious reasons that aren't really completely in the industry's control.

I will also throw in my vote and say thanks for warning us about Shigurui. As someone who became re-sensitized to violence during my college years when I didn't watch TV, this anime sounds kind of depraved. I really don't think that stuff like this should be made, and I see little separation between "entertainment" that is this violent and the Coliseum. One may be real, and one may be animated, but the heart of the audience is still the same.

Very nice shelves grapesofdeath!! I was wondering what the autographed/personalized object is on your well-stocked Sailor Moon shelf?

babbo wrote:

I think I would have to agree with Ryllharu, that kind of mentality is spoiled. You're the counter part to sub only 'tards, and recently the "I won't buy without a dub" attitude sounds no less ridiculous than any dub hater out there. Heck, they at least can enjoy a series for it's actual merits. You've already acknowledged the problems with the market and niche titles, who the cares if you're not going to buy it without a dub? It's getting kind of annoying seeing people say that in every sub only review when it's happening for obvious reasons that aren't really completely in the industry's control.

I don't see how you can possibly compare the two mentalities at all, as the usual opinion expressed by "sub-tards" is along the lines of, "I haet dubs because they all suk." I haven't seen many (or any) people who have spoken out against these sub-only releases who use the rationale that they just can't/won't watch shows in Japanese, which is my own standpoint as well; while I certainly prefer watching anime dubbed, I've watched a good deal of content in Japanese out of necessity. The main sentiment I've heard expressed, and one I generally agree with, is that one of the main benefits of getting a show licensed is getting the chance to hear it in English; when the first happens without the second, it takes away somewhat from the value of that licensing. Don't forget that people who are already fans of a particular show have presumably already watched in Japanese through less-than-legal means; to them, an English dub would represent a fresh element to the show, and removing it from the picture reduces that incentive to buy the series.

And again, I myself would probably wind up purchasing a sub-only release of a series I enjoyed, so I'm not even one of the people saying, "I'll never buy this," in the first place. What I do believe, however, is dismissing that enitre argument as being some sort of spoiled entitlement doesn't do any good for anyone.

Easy. Expecting a dub for a niche title in a poor market is really no more logical than "I HAET DUBS!"

The primary benefit from licensing is getting a legit release o,o

Go look in some of the more recent reviews. Ah My Buddha! and Doujin work come to mind. It might be hard to believe, but there are indeed people who say that they can't watch it in japanese, or at the very least prefer English to Japanese most of the time.

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And again, I myself would probably wind up purchasing a sub-only release of a series I enjoyed, so I'm not even one of the people saying, "I'll never buy this," in the first place. What I do believe, however, is dismissing that enitre argument as being some sort of spoiled entitlement doesn't do any good for anyone.

During the current economic conditions? How is it anything other than spoiled?

babbo wrote:

Easy. Expecting a dub for a niche title in a poor market is really no more logical than "I HAET DUBS!" The primary benefit from licensing is getting a legit release o,o

There's a significant difference between "expecting a dub" and "being disappointed that a title wasn't dubbed." It's completely logical for someone who prefers dubs to be bummed that one of their favorite titles didn't get one when it was brought over here; whether or not said dub would have been logically profitable, that doesn't change the disappointment on the part of the fan. And yes, while there is substantial inherent value in a title getting a legitimate release, if that release is more limited than the fan initially hoped, surely you can see the potential for negative feedback. Some might feel that it would have been better off had the title never been licensed at all, so they could continue to enjoy their fansubs in peace without feeling an obligation to buy anything.

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Go look in some of the more recent reviews. Ah My Buddha! and Doujin work come to mind. It might be hard to believe, but there are indeed people who say that they can't watch it in japanese, or at the very least prefer English to Japanese most of the time.

Yes, and some of those people legitimately can't read subtitled works due to vision problems; to them, a sub-only release represents a missed opportunity for entertainment. And I highly doubt that everyone who prefers English to Japanese most of the time will utterly refuse to watch anything in Japanese, as that's certainly not my viewpoint.

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And Ryllharu, your post was giving me flasbacks to the original Ranma 1/2 VHS trailers. "Only $29.95...and that's two TV episodes!" The horror.

And back in the day, the subs were always $5-$10 more expensive than the dub VHS, too!

Now that was commitment.

Remember buying two episodes of Eva at a time for... what, $35?

Over the years, Right Stuf has released a couple of these lackadaisical slice-of-life shows (like the underrated Piano)

And yes, while there is substantial inherent value in a title getting a legitimate release, if that release is more limited than the fan initially hoped, surely you can see the potential for negative feedback.

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And Ryllharu, your post was giving me flasbacks to the original Ranma 1/2 VHS trailers. "Only $29.95...and that's two TV episodes!" The horror.

Trailers?! I have those videos!!

And back in the day, the subs were always $5-$10 more expensive than the dub VHS, too!

Now that was commitment.

Remember buying two episodes of Eva at a time for... what, $35?

What's Piano? Can who has watched it someone tell me about it?

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Over the years, Right Stuf has released a couple of these lackadaisical slice-of-life shows (like the underrated Piano)

What's Piano? Can who has watched it someone tell me about it?