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jenthehen
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I guess I'm just really drawn to moe slice of life shows because they are so culturally DIFFERENT from the entertainment in America. I like American movies and TV, but if I want to see that ... I'll watch that. However, my MOST favorite anime series aren't really moe ... so I don't know. I can totally understand why moe shows do not appeal to a broader audience, though.
I feel like the Japanese anime creators CAN resist sexualizing young girls, though ... all the really popular Kyoto animation series are devoid of any squicky fanservice and I can't think of any panty shots in K-On, Haruhi, Clannad, Air, and Kanon ... they are pretty tame and innocent. Haruhi probably has the most "fanservice" but they are kind of poking fun at it, in a way. Something like K-On might actually appeal to little girls in America if the cultural gaps were filled and the ... more American type of gags were pumped up? I mean, as it is, I think K-On might bore a little kid. |
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Yorozuya
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I loved 'how to train a dragon' as well; surprisingly. I don't know why, I guess it was just because of how adorable and sweet it was. Plus the whole ignorance of man thing has always strangely appealed to me...
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rinmackie
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This, I agree with 100%! One of the main problems with American anime companies is that they don't seem to completely understand what shows to market to which audience. I could have told them that Vampire Knight should be marketed to the young female audience, Dance in the Vampire Bund appeals more to the otakus than the casual crowd. Hence, all the controversy over the editing. |
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The_Q
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This. Keep in mind that most of the Bund controversy was based on the fact that Funi simply couldn't keep their lie straight. First it's not appropriate for US audience, then they imply it's some legal issue, finally they basically say they made the announcement before they watch the damn scene they were going to censor... the thing is, not only did the three "reason" contradict one another, but said company has released several title with questionable content without problem, yet they make a big deal out of this one. Finally, editing of any kind will raise hell! 
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rinmackie
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True, especially among hard-core fans. But I think Funi was thinking they could market this to the mainly female Twilight/True Blood fans, who would have trouble with the loli content. But it was mainly a hit with the otaku who either like loli or will tolerate it. If it were something more casual fans could get into, I don't think there would have been such a fuss.
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Zin5ki
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It has been proposed that Japanese studios would stand to gain heavily if employed to animate foreign productions. One can certainly fathom how this would be the case, especially in virtue of such practices existing in South Korea. It could nonetheless be supposed, of course, that this would affect the fanbase somehow.
Now, the current situation does not suit the tastes of many international audiences. By this I refer to a certain controversial trend, about which much has been discussed. An increase in co-productions would presumably provide economic compensation for this, and would strike an appeal amongst those outside the small but reliable niche audiences. However, although one wishes not to appear ill-mannered or unyielding, one is inclined to express the concern that the desires of certain established consumers would not be fulfilled by such co-operations. When considering finances alone, one can but recommend a profitable route. Most folk would presumably do likewise. In virtue of the apprehension one holds (albeit perhaps naively) towards the content these collaborations might or might not consist of, one nevertheless hopes that a heightened interest in such ventures would not lead to a selected emphasis being placed upon the sort of project in question. In fairness, many people would have said much the same thing towards the current practises of anime studios. In virtue of this, one may well believe that any plausible mode of acquiring sizeable and dependable sums of money would be insufficient, at least prima facie, for accommodating all tastes. Though it comes as no revelation to propose this, compromise would presumably be involved in maintaining the interests—and moreover the disposable incomes—of multitudinous audiences. |
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Metal_Slug
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Am I the only person who thinks that fusing moe and lolita to ANYTHING else is not going to work? I think its time to ditch moe and lolita entirely and make some detective action anime with all the aspects of Cowboy Bebop that made it so cool! I'm just so sick of seeing moe everywhere, and its driving me (and many others) away from the medium. Does anyone agree with me on this?
I also have noticed the trend in Japan where those in the industry hate on American animation and companies like Pixar. I can't remember who was being interviewed, but some big shot in anime got their interview posted on here, and they said something about how Pixar "disturbingly ripped off Laputa" with Up or something like that. Now the translation may have come out stronger than intended, but to me somehow that really struck a nerve. I don't understand why animators in Japan hate Pixar, with all of its amazing success, instead of appreciating it. I do, however, agree that no one should try to copy Pixar, but should try their own method. I just don't get the disrespect. 
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CG-LOVER
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This'll be my first post on these boards, but I have been listening to the show since the beginning. And this has definitely been one of the more insightful ones.
I agree with Justin about the 3-D, at the moment I don't see what's so special about it and I don't think that it has been completely perfected yet. Because of that I actually feel like we're jumping the gun with this, I feel we should really wait until all the kinks have been worked out before we start selling stuff like 3-D TVs. I also agree with what Zac was talking about when he said confusion isn't entertainment when he talked about Night Raid. Now I'm not watching that show but I know of so many others that confuse the hell outta me right off the bat and just plain piss me off in the end. Boy that's certainly an interesting system in Japan that Mr. Umennachi talked about. Like Zac said, having to get people drunk to work out a deal seems like a big problem. The language and cultural barriers are a big issue as well, especially since the Japanese don't even feel like they need to understand us or understand why we even want to have the anime we're asking for. Their pride seems a bit arrogant to me. I'm also big fan of Zac's idea to get Otaku interested in real women 
Honestly though, this niche group of Otaku who pour money into all the lolita and ecchi content anger me at this point. I'm kinda sick of all these shows being dedicated to 15 year old High School girl fanservice. Now if it really is starting to die down I'm glad, but it leaves me nervous about what the next big thing will be. I'm not really a big fan of the moe+Hannah Montana idea myself 
As far as animation goes, I'm all for these guys embracing the newest technology. I feel that advanced tech can only make things better. The thing is just that these people really need to dedicate themselves to this and not approach it halfheartedly, otherwise things can only go wrong. Very informative episode, I really enjoyed it. Last edited by CG-LOVER on Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Pandadice
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well i mean like, the dude who made Pixar was heavily influenced by like studio Ghibli stuff. Western animation takes things from Japanese animation, and Japanese animation takes things from western animation. I might have it backwards, but wasn't it Disney that started out with the cute little animals following around the female leads? And now that has become a common and cliche element found in anime. Seriously, watching Hakujaden is like watching Snow White. It's a give and take relationship when it comes to these things.. Plus I mean.. It isn't anything new for Disney to be heavily copying elements from certain anime... |
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CG-LOVER
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I totally agree with this. I feel that in this situation these guys should be embracing Pixar instead of attacking it. I mean is this about keeping their pride or something? This sheer arrogance can't do them any good. |
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Kalessin
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Moe could work if you're talking about one or two characters in the show being moe. There have been plenty of shows which have had moe characters but haven't really been moe as a whole. Whether that's enough to draw the moe crowd or not, I don't know. But I definitely agree that if the moe is stressed, it will likely drive off everyone else. Still, I think that it can work to combine moe with other stuff. It's just that it has to be a small part of the show - perhaps one character where their moe aspect is their character quirk or whatnot. The loli stuff, however, is DOA. I do not understand the Japanese mentality (well, the otaku mentality anyway) which would favor underaged girls to mature ones, and the majority of Americans are going to be in the same boat. If you sexualize little girls, it's instantly icky for the vast majority of the audience in R1. Heck, it's bad enough in R1 if you sexualize mature-looking high school girls, let alone girls that are obviously under 18. The only people who will buy anything loli in the US are either otaku who are into that sort of thing or folks who are enough interested in whatever else the show has to offer that they'll put up with the lolis - and even they are likely to be fairly otaku to do that. Loli stuff may sell reasonably to the otaku crowd in the US, but it will never sell as well as it sells in Japan, and it will never reach a mainstream audience. It's more likely to make people anti-anime, thinking that it's child porn, than it is to get them interested. Mixing stuff that's popular in Japan with stuff that's popular in the US can work, but you have to be careful with what you mix. Both moe and lolis are iffy, but I think that moe has a chance while lolis do not. Unfortunately however, to some extent, what draws a mainstream, North American audience is completely at odds with what's going to sell well in Japan - especially if you're talking about the otaku market in Japan. Maybe the Japanese mainstream market has enough overlap for that to work, but since a lot of shows these days don't even hit the Japanese mainstream market... Well, as this podcast highlights, they have their work cut out for them. |
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Pandadice
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I dunno. Only Yesterday is a fantastic movie with a bit of exposed loli. Might not've been enough too really appeal to people though
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and I think as far as mixing loli and awesomeness goes, Kurenai is an excellent example. It does have those loli pantsu/bathing scenes. But at the same time.. the show is just so good. That's a show that needs a license. |
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DerekTheRed
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I think that the sound clip for when you bring in the guest should be J saying "A real man does such and such..." from now on, or at least when a guest is in any way affiliated with the show. Funimation shouldn't mind, fair use, right? |
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AkiraKaneda
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I definitely agree that there are different ways of using the term "cult." Was it used offensively here? Maybe...and perhaps that's why it got my dander up. I need to apologize to Zac...on the whole, I haven't seen anti-religious sentiments outside of this particular, one-time context that I can remember. I was speaking specifically about this particular episode of the podcast, where there seemed (again, on one listen) to be a negative view of any religiously-themed anime. I think perhaps the issue of Zac's continuing dislike of moe across shows got mixed with the idea that Zac has been anti-religious in other podcasts, which he has not (to my knowledge). Zac, once again, sorry I came across that way.
Now I think you're casting the net too wide. This would include all books, music, films, TV shows, etc. apart from actual scriptures themselves. Is there a religious subculture that accepts less than professional quality filmmaking? Absolutely. But there are tons of Christians making quality material that may be religious in nature and entertaining, particularly when it comes to books and music. (I'm sure there are in other faiths as well, though I would not presume to speak for them.)
Yes, excellent thought...though I'm not sure many people could handle something like Silence, which while light years away in story concept in many ways isn't all that different from, say, Angel's Egg.
I think the key issue here is that you aren't going to get many proselytizing Buddhists...a few, perhaps, but not as a whole. Only certain groups -- particularly Christians, but also perhaps Muslims and then certainly some NRMs -- are going to spend money to try and get more people into the faith.
I'm saying that some folks call Superbook anime. I'm not sure that's correct. It was created by TBN and essentially outsourced to Tatsunoko. That doesn't mean that there aren't some good elements that are very much part of the Japanese animation culture (including a score that's occasionally reminiscent of Macross). Doesn't mean much of anything, of course; people should enjoy what they enjoy no matter what label it's given. But it would be fascinating to see a truly Japanese vision of Christianity in anime form...or Buddhism or Islam, for that matter. But just to make money? Not as interesting.
It seems to me that one major religion already promises 72 young virgins upon entry into paradise...how much more moe can you get? 
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mabber36
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yes. its already been proven to work in shows like higurashi and haruhi |
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