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NEWS: Aniplex of America to Release Oreimo, Garden of Sinners on DVD

When I post here and tell you that I'm thankful and I appreciate the work of the people that I buy from, that's what I mean. If you're going to quote someone you shouldn't take them out of context just so you can promote your view(s). My agreeing with takacsh and blazevincent has NOTHING to do with Aniplex's pricing model.

But it does have everything to do with the current mindset of fandom that posts here. Of course everyone can "express their dissatisfaction, simply don't buy, and take their money elsewhere", but honestly, if the entire sum of their dissatisfaction is expressed in the most childish simple minded terms of "no dub = no sale, f* U aniPlex, etc., etc., ad nauseum, I just have to wonder what exactly is the point of their continuing to be allowed and viewable?

So let me get this straight? You bought Samurai X: Reflections or the RK Movie and don't feel you where ripped off? Getting Reflections for free is a ripoff because it takes up space on my shelf. If someone wants me to put Reflections on my shelf than they need to pay me.

I don't see any reason why this show couldn't have been given a normally priced BD release as well.

Restrictions from Aniplex of Japan is my guess as to why we can't get that BD now.

...My apologies I must have misread and quoted you out of context. Not my intention and not my intention to point a finger at anybody.

My intention was to reference these same lines that I keep coming across about being grateful and thankful in the forums. As though this has anything to do with bringing anime over to NA or anyone's business model.

I don't like the implication that if you are somehow displeased with the product (pricing, packaging, extras, etc) then you are selfish and instead should have the exact opposite attitude "thankful". I try to ignore the more silly posts, but sometimes when people try to tell me what I should feel or they start lumping people together or they are just being mean in their comments I get an itch to say something.

I agree that some people are out of hand with their wants and expectations or how they express it. But really, when you say, "I just have to wonder what exactly is the point of their continuing to be allowed and viewable?" you want to censor what people say?

Ok, I can see why you feel that way but I don't necessarily agree with it. The same could be said for the people who defend anime pricing (they can be annoying too) or for that matter anyone who engages in heated debates (they all have their share of annoying comments too).

Well call me crazy but I still believe that a business should treat its customers right. I don't understand this bizarre fetishization of business where making the absolute maximum amount of money becomes the be all end all directive.

Charred Knight wrote:

reanimator wrote: Now there is someone who is very informed. Thank you for elaborating it better. It seems like people who don't know or care about how the industry works always complain about everything. Except that Aniplex plan is going to cause Stagnation like it has in Japan. The current anime model in Japan rewards pandering to otaku and not quality. I don't think that's the business model that needs to be brought over to America.

The only logical solution to that would be to NOT offer these premium sets at all to the North American crowd, meaning that most popular shows would never see the light of day on this side of the Pacific (like Megiddo accurately pointed out, a Baccano-type of release isn't always profitable). If you think that's a better solution then that's your prerogative, but as an individual I like having the option to buy those premium sets, or wait for an eventual regular edition a couple of years down the road.

and a 100 bucks [...] says that you will take that personally, or refer to it as ad hominem, non sequitur, and or some other perfectly logical thing and continue on with this until the cows come home. sheesh.

Bloody hell, its DVD only eh....

Although if it sold out in Japan already, whats the "reverse importation" fear here.

At the core I think this is a debate over subjective preferences about when it's appropriate to complain, and so you are right for yourself and he is for himself at least insofar as he's consistent in my opinion.

I disagree with your application of the word "force" in the context of being forced to choose between the 3 options you don't find pleasant. I might prefer to have a mansion, but I'm not "forced" not to have one.

ShanaFan852 wrote:

Restrictions from Aniplex of Japan is my guess as to why we can't get that BD now.

That's just an absurd shell game of an excuse. You're deflecting criticism from Aniplex by blaming another branch of Aniplex. In fact, I never even specifically criticized "Aniplex USA". I criticized Aniplex in general making this argument even more moot.

Also, if you're going to just pluck out one single point that you think you can refute and ignore the other half dozen points...well you can't really pretend your argument has a leg to stand on.

He/she gave a possible reason why R1 was not given a reasonably priced BD version. Whether you believe it's a reason that's true is another matter, but it is within the realm of possibility.

Wow, I feel sorry for people who got lied to by Aniplex that the boxset was gonna be an LE. They got conned. That's why you don't let anime companies charge R2 prices on you like that.

While we're not entitled to it, that still doesn't mean it's perfectly okay to skimp out on a Blu-ray release when Japan itself has one. It's clearly just Aniplex trying to prevent reverse importing, while denying the western audience a release. It's bad enough they go to the lengths of charging Japanese prices for their western releases. At the end of the day, you're still getting an inferior product when a superior one exists; just not in your region.

It's strange to find that the reason considering the Japanese release is long since sold out. It's a wonder why we aren't getting the BD, but at least we're getting the movies.

Kougeru wrote:

fireaxe wrote: Considering the eventual pricing for KnK, there's already a (probably similar) boxset released by Kaze France, with a MSRP of 80 Euros. So yeah, it's probably safe to assume that these will go for at least 100$ (MSRP). Which I think is perfectly fair, btw. These are some top quality movies that deserves quality releases. Honestly that should be the BLURAY price. There is no legit reason why a bluray version should cost more than 10 US dollars EXTRA over the dvd version.

Licensing costs, replication, etc. There are multitude of reasons.

But, $100 MSRP for KnK...if that was the case isn't bad considering you are getting seven movies in one package that could easily go for $20-$25 a movie if released seperately (and it was released seperately first in Japan...so lucky us we get a boxset).

I've heard really great things about Kara no Kyoukai and it sounds like it would be best viewed on Blu-ray but then I realised that I'm in a different Blu-ray region so wouldn't be able to import and play one anyway

Aniplex license = potential Siren license? *hopes*

Man, don't you love when companies lie? Aniplex explicitly said that LE of KnK was going to be the only home vid release of the series.

Although I got the OST for the 7th movie when I imported the limited edition of it (only a few months before the LE blurays were announced), I would love to collect the rest and I'm sure many others would as well.

And I definitely wouldn't have bought the first volume of Madoka if I knew it was streaming on Crunchyroll. Aniplex knows this, which is why it's trying to collect before enough people catch on.

bahamutzero89 wrote:

I'm glad you guys only get the inferior DVDs of KnK and not the BDs which I once bought for 700$.^^

Was there really a need to brag and get all holier-than-thou?