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NEWS: Canada Outlines Which Anime Can Cross Border


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Dakaran



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:32 am Reply with quote
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Exceptions exist for cases where the work serves a "legitimate purpose related to the administration of justice or to science, medicine, education or art; and does not pose an undue risk of harm to persons under the age of eighteen years."

This. Thank goodness for this! This clause alone protects most anything of true merit and utility. If this is applied fairly, very little would actually be outright illegal. It also forces officials to deal with things case by case rather than applying broad censorship. That this kind of provision has been lacking in recent Japanese legislation is my primary problem with them.

And as for "secondary sexual features," I'd guess they're mostly talking about breasts and pubic hair. If a female character is flat as a board and hasn't got a lick of hair on here, you don't get to pretend that she's 18.


Most of our laws are written with provisions and reservation on the matters that stipulate where, when and how it applies to, otherwise and around those circumstances, are tolerated or fine by the society and morality code. If somebody just sit a minute and think, what makes sense and not, Canada's laws do the same. Very precisely stating what is right and what is wrong, and when it's not clear enough it gets revised as soon as something clear comes out from the debates and careful thinking of the supreme court.

Tempest lives near my city so he knows just as much about Canadian laws and stuff like that I'm sure. Things are pretty cool around here, and I haven't had problems with laws when reading, watching TV or internet shows. It comes to using your head for common sense and apply it to what you do.

As long as you don't abuse your way out of the system and the laws in place you will be fine.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:40 am Reply with quote
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dewlwieldthedarpachief wrote:
But violation of cartoon children that is non-sexual is still cool, right?


Violation as in meaning abuse? No, it's not, any kind of abuse is not OK.
kids fighting each other with super powers, could be considering "abuse" by some people. "art" is an opinion and i feel these laws are very vague.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:42 am Reply with quote
vashfanatic wrote:
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Exceptions exist for cases where the work serves a "legitimate purpose related to the administration of justice or to science, medicine, education or art; and does not pose an undue risk of harm to persons under the age of eighteen years."

This. Thank goodness for this! This clause alone protects most anything of true merit and utility. If this is applied fairly, very little would actually be outright illegal. It also forces officials to deal with things case by case rather than applying broad censorship. That this kind of provision has been lacking in recent Japanese legislation is my primary problem with them.

And as for "secondary sexual features," I'd guess they're mostly talking about breasts and pubic hair. If a female character is flat as a board and hasn't got a lick of hair on here, you don't get to pretend that she's 18.


i actually know a 20 year old irl that's flat as a board. and lots of women shave down low
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:44 am Reply with quote
dewlwieldthedarpachief wrote:
But violation of cartoon children that is non-sexual is still cool, right?

Dakaran wrote:

Violation as in meaning abuse? No, it's not, any kind of abuse is not OK.


AFAIK, there are no laws against the fictional depiction of child abuse. The only thing that is illegal is child porn.

If you want to make anime that graphically features a child having their skull bashed in, nails pulled out, etc... that's completely legal. I think.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:45 am Reply with quote
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If you want to make anime that graphically features a child having their skull bashed in, nails pulled out, etc... that's completely legal. I think.

(Higurashi).
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:46 am Reply with quote
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If you want to make anime that graphically features a child having their skull bashed in, nails pulled out, etc... that's completely legal. I think.

Sven Viking wrote:
(Higurashi).

Exactly.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:48 am Reply with quote
so what qualifies as child pornography, would something like elfen lied be in trouble for that scene were a girls step father molests her? (Cause that would be the reason someon would bane elfen lied) or in Evangelion were Asuka is begging Kaji to look at her as she's pulling her shirt down? or is it just the realy realy sicko stuff?
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:54 am Reply with quote
tempest wrote:
tempest wrote:
If you want to make anime that graphically features a child having their skull bashed in, nails pulled out, etc... that's completely legal. I think.

Sven Viking wrote:
(Higurashi).

Exactly.


What about the 80's and 90's anime criteria, I think there some stuff in anime shows are part of it. I'm trying to think but it was on Anime Selects or something.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:03 pm Reply with quote
tempest wrote:
dewlwieldthedarpachief wrote:
But violation of cartoon children that is non-sexual is still cool, right?

Dakaran wrote:

Violation as in meaning abuse? No, it's not, any kind of abuse is not OK.


AFAIK, there are no laws against the fictional depiction of child abuse. The only thing that is illegal is child porn.

If you want to make anime that graphically features a child having their skull bashed in, nails pulled out, etc... that's completely legal. I think.

-t


Ya, South Park on Teletoon wasn't censored much eh? Razz
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:04 pm Reply with quote
sonickid101 wrote:
so what qualifies as child pornography, would something like elfen lied be in trouble for that scene were a girls step father molests her? (Cause that would be the reason someon would bane elfen lied) or in Evangelion were Asuka is begging Kaji to look at her as she's pulling her shirt down? or is it just the realy realy sicko stuff?


the realy realy sicko stuff
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:07 pm Reply with quote
I think there's an assumption by some commenters that children means little kids, whereas the law states that nowhere. I'd be cautious about importing anything with underaged characters having sex, regardless of your age or how close to 18 the characters are.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:07 pm Reply with quote
Before you take something like the Handley obscenity case and immediately assume that there's some blanket ban on loli/violent anime in America, I suggest you take a close look at what's being done in Canada as a reminder of what it's really like to have loli/violent anime truly banned by law.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:42 pm Reply with quote
Wetall wrote:
Before you take something like the Handley obscenity case and immediately assume that there's some blanket ban on loli/violent anime in America, I suggest you take a close look at what's being done in Canada as a reminder of what it's really like to have loli/violent anime truly banned by law.


What happens with obscene anime/manga in North America is, as far as I can see, just political grandstanding. It exists independantly from any real efforts to attack child predators and ensure children's safety. Instead, it sacrifices x deviant to public ostracization and humiliation to furnish someone's resume.

We get the same DVDs you do and in practice have similarly outrageous ways of dealing with sexual deviants. It's not all that different.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:49 pm Reply with quote
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"Japanese Anime — most not porn."


That lone statement is an incredible step forward for border laws in the province of British Columbia!

I don't think that any decidedly non-pornographic anime would ever face a problem at the border, especially licensed titles. However, we have to remember that these are just guidelines. Whether or not something is "obscene" is ultimately decided by the border guard in question and what kind of mood he happens to be in that day.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:35 pm Reply with quote
Higurashi would be fine, it's just little kids getting disemboweled and crucified, at least they are not having sex.
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