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INTEREST: Fans Launch 'Keep Anime Alive' Pro-Industry Site

If I remember correctly, doesn't Greg Ayres have panels at conventions about fansubs and their harms on the industry? Or is it someone else? I can't remember - I just remember there was a VA that has done panels like that.

So long as no one goes into "guilt people into buying stuff" over there, I'm all for it.

I've spent thousands of dollars buying DVDs, comic books, and other merch over the years. The last thing I want to be told is that stuff's going down the toilet because fans aren't doing enough. If I want to watch Puella Magi Madoka Magica, I have to see it via fansub at the moment, but that doesnt' mean I wont' buy a DVD release or watch any legal streams when they become available.

If this only becomes something positive to promote legal purchases, I'm all for it. As a collector and a fan, I want to be able to keep my hobby alive and kicking as much as possible.

But I refuse to say "yay" to anything demonizing fansubs that are unavailable outside of importing outrageously expensive DVDs that I can't understand anyway.

Hey look, a bunch of useful idiots have made a website. The consumer owes NOTHING to the industry. If the industry does not meet the needs of the consumer, it is in the industry's benefit to change. But hey, if it makes you feel better to be a tool, be a tool.

I'm not condoning piracy, but the market for anime in america is terrible. The companies should be doing something about it. It's sad that the consumer is the one who has to fix it.

Nayu wrote:

Hey look, a bunch of useful idiots have made a website. The consumer owes NOTHING to the industry. If the industry does not meet the needs of the consumer, it is in the industry's benefit to change. But hey, if it makes you feel better to be a tool, be a tool.

You must certainly feel better then.

Altare wrote:

I'm not condoning piracy, but the market for anime in america is terrible. The companies should be doing something about it. It's sad that the consumer is the one who has to fix it.

The only thing I'm worried about is how anime would be accepted in America television. Really I buy Funi DVD and sometimes buy Japanese DVD's. Fansubs are not the problem at all. The internet is still growing and TV maybe out in years soon.

This is so appalling to me because I thought everyone understood of what fansubs can do.

BlackJaded wrote:

Altare wrote: I'm not condoning piracy, but the market for anime in america is terrible. The companies should be doing something about it. It's sad that the consumer is the one who has to fix it. The only thing I'm worried about is how anime would be accepted in America television. Really I buy Funi DVD and sometimes buy Japanese DVD's. Fansubs are not the problem at all. The internet is still growing and TV maybe out in years soon. This is so appalling to me because I thought everyone understood of what fansubs can do.

Most of my anime is fansubbed, but were it not for the fansubs, I wouldn't own most of the dvds I do now.

Altare wrote:

BlackJaded wrote: Altare wrote: I'm not condoning piracy, but the market for anime in america is terrible. The companies should be doing something about it. It's sad that the consumer is the one who has to fix it. The only thing I'm worried about is how anime would be accepted in America television. Really I buy Funi DVD and sometimes buy Japanese DVD's. Fansubs are not the problem at all. The internet is still growing and TV maybe out in years soon. This is so appalling to me because I thought everyone understood of what fansubs can do. Most of my anime is fansubbed, but were it not for the fansubs, I wouldn't own most of the dvds I do now.

This is nothing but a cop out. You buy your dvds sure that's excellent but there is way too many people using this excuse. The problem does lie within the "fans", because not enough dvds are being bought. There are plenty of ways of knowing if you would enjoy a certain show, via streams, clips, AMVs, articles or even trailers. To fully watch a show illegally then say oh yeah that's great I'll buy it or worst case scenario oh noes it's bad I don't want it, is certainly not the correct decision making. You can't watch it for free that's the main focus.

It's the same way with our media like Hollywood movies. You either go to the theater or buy the dvds. Or even TV which validates in ratings. There is always revenue and profit. You just can't download something illegally. That is the main problem too many people try to justify when there is no way around to even actually justifying it.

I'm not condoning piracy, but the market for anime in america is terrible. The companies should be doing something about it. It's sad that the consumer is the one who has to fix it.

They should try marketing the dvds better. No one is going to take a chance on something that costs 30$ for about 3 episodes.

Altare wrote:

They should try marketing the dvds better. No one is going to take a chance on something that costs 30$ for about 3 episodes.

Where have you been? Under a rock?? Singles died out years ago. Try again bud.

Altare wrote:

BlackJaded wrote: Altare wrote: I'm not condoning piracy, but the market for anime in america is terrible. The companies should be doing something about it. It's sad that the consumer is the one who has to fix it. The only thing I'm worried about is how anime would be accepted in America television. Really I buy Funi DVD and sometimes buy Japanese DVD's. Fansubs are not the problem at all. The internet is still growing and TV maybe out in years soon. This is so appalling to me because I thought everyone understood of what fansubs can do. Most of my anime is fansubbed, but were it not for the fansubs, I wouldn't own most of the dvds I do now.

This is nothing but a cop out. You buy your dvds sure that's excellent but there is way too many people using this excuse. The problem does lie within the "fans", because not enough dvds are being bought. There are plenty of ways of knowing if you would enjoy a certain show, via streams, clips, AMVs, articles or even trailers. To fully watch a show illegally then say oh yeah that's great I'll buy it or worst case scenario oh noes it's bad I don't want it, is certainly not the correct decision making. You can't watch it for free that's the main focus.

It's the same way with our media like Hollywood movies. You either go to the theater or buy the dvds. Or even TV which validates in ratings. There is always revenue and profit. You just can't download something illegally. That is the main problem too many people try to justify when there is no way around to even actually justifying it.

luffypirate85 wrote:

Altare wrote: They should try marketing the dvds better. No one is going to take a chance on something that costs 30$ for about 3 episodes. Where have you been? Under a rock?? Singles died out years ago. Try again bud.

I see them all the time. Do you even know what you're talking about?