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Madoka Magica: Rebellion US Premiere

Homura is the one making the assumption that Madoka is destroying herself. In a way, she was right. spoiler[The incubators almost took control of Madoka until Madoka regained her memories again and everyone stopped the incubators from having any say in the events proceeding. Her becoming her "akuma" form or whatever it is kinda shields Madoka from being the object of the incubator's manipulation.]

I said nothing on the animation quality, Zac. I was talking about the amount of stuff on the screen during the nightmare battles. They are very cluttered visually, quite often to the point of collapsing into a nearly-incoherent mess. They look NICE and flashy, no doubt, but I personally preferred the more subdued environments of the show. It feels like they took their movie budget and justified it with endless amounts of detail almost to a detrimental point.

That and, at least of the first one in the film, they don't relate much to the character/theme they're supposed to embody.

zeo1fan wrote:

Why are you being so rude to me?

A valid concern. Start at least pretending to be respectful Fencedude because you're going way past the line here. The rules state you need to be respectful of others opinions and civil, no matter how much you disagree with them or how much their posts may frustrate you. This is getting ridiculous and it's time to dial it down a few.

Keonyn wrote:

zeo1fan wrote: Why are you being so rude to me? A valid concern. Start at least pretending to be respectful Fencedude because you're going way past the line here. The rules state you need to be respectful of others opinions and civil, no matter how much you disagree with them or how much their posts may frustrate you. This is getting ridiculous and it's time to dial it down a few.

Interesting that you said and did nothing about the issue with the quoted user that was reported multiple times 8-12 hours ago.

spoiler[1) In the first three minutes of the movie, which we do have on television in good quality, the Nightmare has this price tag thing. On the price tag is, in runes, "Homulilly." In the PSP game, this was the name of Homura's Witch, so that was a dead giveaway and I already figured out the first twist after this.]

I think you're trying to play semantics a little too much with what Zac is saying, if not just overlooking some of what he's saying-- he brought up both animation quality *and* production value, and the "amount of stuff on screen" relates to production value, at the very least. Seeing as you're using a cam-rip (of questionable quality for virtue of being a cam-rip), I think its perfectly valid to question the backing of your assertions of it being too cluttered. Simply saying someone that's seen the movie in person "agrees" with you doesn't help matters if you're still in the position of having seen it on a miniaturized cam-feed).

And you say that the design of the first spoiler[Nightmare] doesn't relate much to the character/theme they're "supposed" to embody? What theme do you think they were trying to represent in the first place?

I'm not saying that I'm in the best position to judge the film. I'm not. But I personally felt, from what I saw, that the visual flair of the movie is a little overdone. It's just what I think, maybe it looks better in person, I dunno.

Juno016 wrote:

spoiler[1) In the first three minutes of the movie, which we do have on television in good quality, the Nightmare has this price tag thing. On the price tag is, in runes, "Homulilly." In the PSP game, this was the name of Homura's Witch, so that was a dead giveaway and I already figured out the first twist after this.]

Just curious, and I'm totally serious here. Have you gotten so proficient, that you can read the Madoka Magica runes "on the fly"? I'm honestly kind of impressed if so. I saw the runes throughout the movie, and one day might look for screencaps that translate them, but there were a few spots in the movie where I almost laughed to myself thinking "that's great that they put that in there, but WTF does it SAY?!?"

... where I guess that even *if* spoiler[Homura was taken to 'Mahou Shoujo Valhalla' by Madoka, there was the possibility of the Incubators coming back to try and find a way to control Madoka again through similar efforts. Then again, I thought they sent a strong enough message to the Incubators with that super-arrow-attack to keep them away in the future... was that too naive of a hope? ]

spoiler[but it does explain why she was able to overpower the most powerful being in the universe.]

Actually, I think spoiler[she got the power to overpower Madoka's universe by stealing Madoka's power when Madoka presented herself in front of her. Either that, or she was given the power by the incubators when they trapped her in her Soul Gem and her curse accumulated.] It's not exactly clear how it happened, though. But yes. It does spoiler[fulfill Homura's wish to be the one to protect Madoka, and it's evident that Madoka's wish is half-moot now. The Law of Cycles is still going on, but if Madoka isn't the one in charge of it anymore, then the part of her wish that said "by my own hands" is no longer viable.]

I still want to talk about the ending, though. I can't figure out whether spoiler[Homura took over Madoka's duty or not, or if they even hinted at it, or if Ultimate Madoka still exists in any form outside of the "piece" Homura took, and if so, how. Relevant key points that confuse me are the scene where Homura rips part of Madoka from Ultimate Madoka, Sayaka and Homura's dialect about what exact piece Homura took and how Wraiths still exist, and when Madoka nearly "reverted" or "connected" back to her Ultimate self.]

Juno016 wrote:

Actually, I think spoiler[she got the power to overpower Madoka's universe by stealing Madoka's power when Madoka presented herself in front of her. Either that, or she was given the power by the incubators when they trapped her in her Soul Gem and her curse accumulated.] It's not exactly clear how it happened, though. But yes. It does spoiler[fulfill Homura's wish to be the one to protect Madoka, and it's evident that Madoka's wish is half-moot now. The Law of Cycles is still going on, but if Madoka isn't the one in charge of it anymore, then the part of her wish that said "by my own hands" is no longer viable.]

So spoiler[the Law of the Cycle] is definitely still going on in someway, then I more or less thought that was the case, but there has been a fair amount of confusion about the end for me, much like there was on your end. I might've missed something amongst the posts in this thread.... but have any of the questions you've raised on the 8th page been answered or better settled for you, then, Juno?

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I still want to talk about the ending, though. I can't figure out whether spoiler[Homura took over Madoka's duty or not, or if they even hinted at it, or if Ultimate Madoka still exists in any form outside of the "piece" Homura took, and if so, how. Relevant key points that confuse me are the scene where Homura rips part of Madoka from Ultimate Madoka, Sayaka and Homura's dialect about what exact piece Homura took and how Wraiths still exist, and when Madoka nearly "reverted" or "connected" back to her Ultimate self.]

These questions still remain for me. I'm still unsure on spoiler[the nature of Homura's newly conceived role as the "Akuma" of this rewritten universe, other than that she's denying the sacrifice that Madoka made by attempting to give her a safe human life of normalcy, is proclaiming herself as the eventual enemy of Madoka for this definace, and is taking on the burdens of curses that Madoka would've taken otherwise (which I guess then explains why there might still be wraiths around, to offset the burden of those curses). What control does she exactly have over the incubators now, though? And if Ultimate Madoka was to be be an embodiment of hope and uplift magical girls so they wouldn't become witches, then is Akuma Homura some embodiment of despair and bring magical girls down to... what, some Mahou Shoujo Hell, then? (Though with the prior system, the result of becoming a witch offered a sort of Mahou Shoujo Hell already, didn't it?) Is there even some "good" entity anymore that stops magical girls from becoming witches...?] Ugh, I don't even know if I'm making sense to myself anymore with this thinking...

I think I need to see a simple chart/diagram that shows for sure what Homura can do as an "Akuma," as illustrated/explained by the film. I'm sure there were a few dots I weren't able to connect when I saw it.

I'm honestly not sure. No one answered the questions and I've noticed a ton of misconceptions over the Puella Magi wiki, possibly due to a somewhat weak translation on the camrip. I'm going to be compiling as many interviews about the movie I can and keep watch on what Urobuchi and the others say in the next several months as well. When the original series ended, Urobuchi is the one who actually clarified the whole "Ultimate Madoka Paradise" thing so that we were able to understand what was going on there, since the TV series didn't make it clear enough (and I found out after that it was written in the manuscript, too--just never explicitly illustrated in the animation itself). So I'm hoping he does the same thing here.