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Zin5ki
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:46 am
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Olivine wrote: | OH GOD
ok ok ok...ok ok.
So
PLACE YOUR BETS!
The episode will contain: … |
In virtue of the high probability that this episode will expose traits of our fandom to the most mainstream of audiences, one expects that at a fair number of the outcomes you list are likely.
One would, of course, like to see only a bare minimum of cultural objects depicted, such that the show focuses upon the psychology of the suspect as opposed to their hobbies.
I shan't find out whether this will be the case however. If there is one popular entertainment resource for which I profess no desire, it is television.
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Crisha
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:15 am
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I don't understand the big deal. Anime fans are not being singled out. Popular entertainment sensationalizes and stereotypes everything. I concur with Sunday Science that other crime dramas have done eppies focused on other "oddballs": CSI has had episodes focused on furries and sci-fi fans; L&O had an eppie on gamers. But crime dramas have also focused on cheerleaders, jocks, etc. No one is safe.
I concur with everything Pandadice and doctordoom stated on the first page.
I would prefer a portrayal in a more positive or sympathetic light, yes, but if it is a negative "geek gone disturbed and killed his parents" one, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
EDIT: I do wonder what "anime fan" stereotype they're gonna go with here: Naruto fanboy, mecha nerd, ultra perv? I'll probably roll my eyes over that more than anything else in the episode.
Although, I guess it could lead towards interesting segues that would get tiring over time.
Acquaintance: So, what are some of your hobbies?
Me: Oh, well, I enjoy watching anime...
Acquaintance: OH! Hey, I've heard of that! It was featured on that one crime drama I was watching - some aa-nee-may kid killed his parents.
Me: Yes, you've got me, we're all disturbed people on the verge of snapping and losing control. You might want to step away a few feet, I feel the urge to kill rising. It's over 9000 now.
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KAtchan15
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:13 am
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Hope I can take a peak of this show just to give it a shot. If it's on the 10-11pm slot I won't be watching. Ugly Americans ♥ I don't really watch tv much anymore.
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The Xenos
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:58 pm
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Any publicity is good publicity... riiiiight?!
Personally, I've got to watch it for the laughs. I've gotten tons of laughs whenever I hear some crappy cop or lawyer show has a video game shooter ep. Half the time it's a one season wonder. It's fun to see all the things they get wrong and how they just play to the the paranoid delusions of sixty year olds viewers who watch these lame cop and lawyer shows written by forty year olds who've never played a game in their life.
Plus the series finale of Law and Order featured forum creator moot. Okay, it wasn't actually moot from 4chan, but they named an internet blogger / forum host Moot. 4chan went nuts and laughed their asses off.
Also, bonus points to the first post mentioning the awful propaganda film Mazes and Monsters. It's barely better than Jack Chick comics.
Top Gun wrote: | All this makes me wonder is why every single drama series on network TV is either about cops, doctors, or both cops and doctors. |
You forgot lawyers. Not quite the same as cops and certainly one of the big three.
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Mad_Scientist
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:22 pm
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KAtchan15 wrote: | Hope I can take a peak of this show just to give it a shot. If it's on the 10-11pm slot I won't be watching. Ugly Americans ♥ I don't really watch tv much anymore. |
Looks like you can always watch the episodes on the show's website if you can't catch it when it airs.
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The Xenos
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:37 pm
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The trick is this is on against new South Park (and Ugly Americans). Though both are available afterward online (legally!), Comedy Central does rerun stuff like an hour or two later.
DoktorZetsubou wrote: | "Awkward and depressed"? Ooh, not negatively stereotyping at all! |
Yes because there are no teens that are awkward and depressed, especially in anime fandom. Forget among fandoms, most teens are awkward, depressed, or both.
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zensunni
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:55 pm
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My bet is that the kid will be convicted, then "the whole truth" will be that his brother did it and framed him, then hired an incompetent lawyer to defend him to ensure his conviction.
That would be a good story line, the otaku kid is innocent and the non-otaku brother is the psycho!
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R315r4z0r
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:11 pm
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I don't get why anyone here is excited about this. This just gets me angry.
All it's going to do is hurt anime by enforcing the ignorant ideas of people who already either don't like it or think that it's a bad influence.
Some overly involved Christian mom is going to be watching this show and they turn to her son and say "this is why I don't want you near those devil cartoons."
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Greg Aubry
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:34 pm
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Eh. I'm from Detroit. Kinda used to the media not doing me any favors. My grown man pants are on.
Olivine wrote: | PLACE YOUR BETS!
The episode will contain:
A orange jumpsuit or swirly headband thing - 5:1
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The phrase "Kokonoe Rin"- 674:1 |
You totally forgot someone saying "those porno cartoons full of tentacle rape and sailor suits". A bit '90s, sure, but the media's always a little behind.
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UltimaShadowfax
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:58 pm
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vashfanatic wrote: | ....unless it turns out that the "whole truth" is that the kid didn't do it but everyone thinks he did because of negative stereotyping. It's not like the article is going to give away the twist at the end.
Frankly, the whole series doesn't appeal to me, but that's mostly because The Wire has ruined me for every other crime-series (halfway through season 4 now). |
I'm glad it only took this long for someone to post this.
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la_contessa
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:36 pm
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I too would love to see more positive portrayals of anime fandom, but when it comes down to it, if mainstream tv shows had to avoid every single niche or minority group when designing its potential villains, the stories would be a lot more boring. It's not like the entire premise of the series is stopping homicidal otaku, it's one episode (maybe, since we don't know "the whole truth," as it were). I'm not offended--it's nothing more than a gimmick, like any other potential villain who is part of a specific subculture.
At any rate, I don't watch legal shows, so I wouldn't watch this anyway, regardless of the gimmick. The writers of most legal shows clearly learn all of their law from other legal shows
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Tamaria
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:52 am
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For every awkward geek killer episode, there's one series with an awkward geek on the side of the good guys. Besides, some of those episodes turn out to be pretty cool, like the True Knight episode from Criminal Minds.
Anyway, they'd better put a Phoenix Wright reference in there!
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EricJ
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:46 am
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Melanchthon wrote: | Since the audience will be unfamiliar with anime, the writers will have to rely on quick stereotypes to define the subject matter. So which stereotype will they use for anime?
All giant humanoid robots? (80's stereotype)
Ultra violent bloodbath? (90's stereotype)
Ultra sexual perversions? (00's stereotype)
or with they go with the Naruto stereotype, and make the kid a ninja wannabe? |
I'm guessing they go with BleachNaruto, as Whatever They Heard Cartoon Network Shows, Without Actually Having Seen It (10's stereotype).
Unless the writer is showing off that he's heard of GITS. (90's stereotype)
(Still, let's just hope it isn't yaoi manga - Late 00's/early 10's stereotype. )
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Mune
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:50 pm
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Greg Aubry wrote: |
You totally forgot someone saying "those porno cartoons full of tentacle rape and sailor suits". A bit '90s, sure, but the media's always a little behind. |
I've heard this recently from employees at Barnes & Noble calling all Manga "porn."
R315r4z0r wrote: |
Some overly involved Christian mom is going to be watching this show and they turn to her son and say "this is why I don't want you near those devil cartoons." |
This can and does happen. A few parents will walk-in to their children watching anime and it happens to be at the wrong time(fanservice moment, foul language, extreme violence) and the parent freaks out.
And God forbid it go against any of their parent's religious beliefs...
zensunni wrote: |
My bet is that the kid will be convicted, then "the whole truth" will be that his brother did it and framed him, then hired an incompetent lawyer to defend him to ensure his conviction.
That would be a good story line, the otaku kid is innocent and the non-otaku brother is the psycho! |
With our luck, it would be the other way around.
Honestly, I hope they just scrap the episode or don't have the otaku character as a suspect, but rather a witness or something.
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Tamaria
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:17 pm
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With our luck, it would be the other way around.
Honestly, I hope they just scrap the episode or don't have the otaku character as a suspect, but rather a witness or something. |
Luck has nothing to do with it, because the outcome will be the same whether he's the killer or not. Why? Nobody outside of the anime fandom gives a damn.
There are like two dozen crime shows every season, not counting all the reruns of older series. Having a satanic cannibal, copycat killer or creepy kid who loves taxidermy every week is boring. The best shows try to come up with unlikely and interesting suspects for almost every episode. The animefan is just one of them. Just like the cheerleader, the overprotective housewive, the guy in a wheelchair and the high school bible club.
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