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But in all seriousness, I do think you're underestimating the similar social pressures males have to live with.

ikillchicken wrote:

I'm really, really worried about noitaminA. Give or take a few exceptions, theirs are pretty much the only TV shows really worth watching from the last few years. It's definitely pretty worrying that they're moving more toward otaku stuff and perhaps even more worrying that the reason is possibly that they're not doing so well financially.

To be fair, there has been noitaminA series that has been fujoshi bait to some degree like for example Antique Bakery, No. 6, and soon UN-GO so aiming towards the otaku just balances it out.

Things like worrying if others think you're a sexual predator can be a problem for guys...

I can't read minds, but many of your comments give an impression that you believe there is some kind of mutually agreed standard of what kinds of gender and racial character types are progressive and/or regressive.

Obviously there is no such standard, and something you might read in a book or see in a movie that you think is sexist, other women won't necessarily agree with you on every time.

That's how fiction works. It's unavoidable. You can change the world so that all female characters in anime are confident, successful, and independent women...

Movie rules don't apply to real life. Movies are crazy, movies are dangerous. They have disclaimers telling us not to try this at home for a reason. That doesn't mean they are a problem and we need to reform them. It just means that we need to respect them for what they are, and maintain a keen awareness of the difference between fiction and reality.

What does that even mean? "Valid"? Do you even fully understand what you are saying yourself, I wonder?

If there's anything more regressive than trying to cover up our collective past mistakes by concealing it or purging it from films and literature, I'm not sure what it would be.

Bonham wrote:

Things like worrying if others think you're a sexual predator can be a problem for guys...

Why yes, yes it can!

Doctor jailed 3 years wants perjury charges for sex-assault accuser

But don't mind that, tell us more about the terrible struggles women face?

Wasn't Ariel the one who sold her voice and ability to talk for a pair of legs all for a guy she just met like an hour ago?

Lilo's probably the only Disney female lead I like honestly, if only because I found the others so dang boring.

willag wrote:

So, now, Pixar. Pixar's main issue comes from not even having a female as the main character. And this is a big issue that shows off the male privilege still rampant within our society nowadays. Because it's normal and expected for a woman to enjoy stories made for men or stories with leading male characters. But lead female characters? Hell no, that's for girls. It's still frowned upon in our culture for males to have an interest in female activities - often being told to 'man up' or 'stop acting like a sissy girl' - else he be labeled as 'gay'. And guys often have a harder time connecting with lead women characters than women do with lead men characters. Male is the default and female is the deviation.

I agree.. that's a real shame. I think the most offensive example of this mentality was the American dub of Card Captor Sakura. They tried to rewrite the entire series and make the main character Li (and cut out like half the show and any episode he didn't appear in.. and only had a few snippits of those episodes as flashbacks of how she was a 'inexperienced loser before she met Li'. They tried to make Sakura second fiddle to someone else in her own show ... that's both funny and appalling

I don't think that "balances it out" at all. In fact, that just makes it worse. Fujoshi bait is at least more tolerable that otaku bait but it's not exactly something to strive for. This is the block that gave us Eden of the East, Tokyo Magnitude 8.0, Trapeze, House of Five Leaves, Tatami Galaxy, Shiki and Princess Jellyfish all in rapid succession. But what have we seen lately? A couple interesting shows but also the giant walking disaster that was Fractale, the immensely generic otaku bait Ano Hana, No. 6 (which is still good but pushing the Fujoshi buttons pretty hard) Bunny Drop (also good I hear but threatening to take a turn for the horrible at any moment if it follows the manga). Plus, in the future, we can look forward to Un-Go which is also fujoshi bait according to you, Guilty Crown which just sounds generic as hell and then Black Rock Shooter. I mean, I'm not saying noitaminA is totally terrible now or anything but clearly there has been a pretty noticeable shift in their programming from what they were doing the last couple years to the significantly more conventional and otaku/fujoshi oriented stuff they've been doing this year.

I think Beast and Belle only were together for like two days - the timeline in that movie never entirely made sense, especially with all of the erratic weather changes.

Yeah, that's why it's ok for Palestinians to fire rockets at Israeli citizens, but not ok for Israelis to fire rockets at Palestinian citizens.

But don't mind that, tell us more about the terrible struggles women face?

(Couldn't help myself, saw this story today and was so addled by the whole thing that I could hardly get any work done all day.)

House of Five Leaves, Shiki

Bunny Drop (also good I hear but threatening to take a turn for the horrible at any moment if it follows the manga).

I mean, I'm not saying noitaminA is totally terrible now or anything but clearly there has been a pretty noticeable shift in their programming from what they were doing the last couple years to the significantly more conventional and otaku/fujoshi oriented stuff they've been doing this year.

Anyway, I just chalk up all this fanservice/whatever with Japan being more open about that kinda thing (...) and public bath houses exist, so nudity just isn't as big of a deal (...) Yeah... it's probably hard for westerners to look at it from their point of view, so obviously a more conservative/prudish country like the US might see it as odd or wrong or something.

Man, has the anime community really become so hateful and jaded that we're now trashing Ano Hana, No. 6 and Bunny Drop? They're all great shows to me (I like 'em better than House of Five Leaves, anyway.) Well, Ano Hana is current ranked #21 on MAL so I guess not. Thankfully.

Anyway, I just chalk up all this fanservice/whatever with Japan being more open about that kinda thing

Both are possible fujoshi fodder.

But obviously they also have to make money, at least a bit. F.ex. House of five leaves sold really badly it seems.

This year they still did show 2 Josei series (Bunny Drop and Wandering Son) and some unconventional stuff (C), and something you can at least consider the best BL show ever Anime hyper

willag wrote:

I think Beast and Belle only were together for like two days - the timeline in that movie never entirely made sense, especially with all of the erratic weather changes.

Eek, I was trying to stay out of the discussion since I think I didn't have anything else to add, but I gotta speak up here--they were definitely together for longer than two days! It's not completely clear in the movie, but I think they were together for around 3-6 months by the end of the film. I think it was late summer, maybe early fall when she was captured, and late winter/early spring at the end of the film. Too much happens in the film for it not to be at LEAST a few months--"Something There" covers an extended period of time while they get to know each other, and the added song "Human Again" in the extended edition has the furniture cleaning up the entire mansion which would take even more time...

...sorry, BatB is my favorite movie, I've seen it way too many times. ^^; But yeah, I think in that movie they actually put effort into showing Belle and Beast slowly getting closer together, even if it is still a bit unrealistically fast.

I'm sure I'm super late to the conversion but I belong to an 18+ anime club. They do exist and it's totally possible to start one. I'm sure out in the total boonies wouldn't work well but it doesn't have to be a major metropolis either. I live near a small city (90,000ish pop) out in PA. We also have a handful of people who drive about hour just to get to our meetings.

It's basically how I met all friends out here when I first moved to the area.

We meet twice a month. Ideally we have one social meet up at a local comic book shop where we chat, play games, watch AMVs/Game trailers, and such. Then we have a meet ups in the local arts center where we watch anime (about 5 hours) and take breaks and play video games.

I just pointed out that it's pretty glaring Fujoshi bait.

I don't see Maurice being able to survive out in the cold for a long time though, so from the time he leaves his house to the time Belle goes to save him can't be all that long of a time. [..] There's also the fact that Lefou was told to wait outside the house for Belle and Maurice to return.