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NEWS: Kobe Man Arrested for Selling 3 Obscene Illustrations


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mdo7



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:42 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
Chagen46 wrote:
mangamuscle wrote:
Let me see if I understand this arrest, an adult man draws some human figure with genitalia and sells it over the internet to another adult for $20 USD and now he faces two years in prision or a fine of $32,000 USD? Either I understand it wrong or that japanese law was written on 19th century european puritanism.


Given how the "must censor porn" law was written by the US after WWII, that last statement of yours is oddly correct.


Wrong. That obscenity law is over a century old:

In Japan, under Article 175 of the Criminal Code of Japan people who sell or distribute obscene materials can be punished by fines or imprisonment. Article 175 was included in the original document in 1907 and remains relatively unchanged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_Japan#Censorship_laws

You "can" blame America for not forcing the Japanese to remove it like they did with other forms of censorship, but that's kind of ridiculous. That kind of action really should have been left up to the Japanese, and surprise, they continue making the wrong choice every time the Diet is in session.

Recent controversies have frowned upon both pubic hair and even genitalia itself being displayed in works of art and in educational settings.

Japan really can be so ass-backwards in certain regards. Do tourists running screaming out of the Met and Louvre because of naked busts? Does David offend them? It's like the Simpsons episode where Marge takes things too far, except it's real, and ingrained in their society.



Well I always wondered how anatomy and physiology class in Japan are going to show anatomical image of genitals with this censorship, do they blur it out or does the law allow uncensored images of genitals for educational purpose rather then entertainment.

Anyway, it gets ridiculous. Japan require all genitals to be censored, but yet this festival like Hōnen Matsuri and Kanamara Matsuri can show off phallic shape object without any hassle from authorities. I mean look at this.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:19 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
Wrong. That obscenity law is over a century old:

In Japan, under Article 175 of the Criminal Code of Japan people who sell or distribute obscene materials can be punished by fines or imprisonment. Article 175 was included in the original document in 1907 and remains relatively unchanged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_Japan#Censorship_laws

You "can" blame America for not forcing the Japanese to remove it like they did with other forms of censorship, but that's kind of ridiculous. That kind of action really should have been left up to the Japanese, and surprise, they continue making the wrong choice every time the Diet is in session.

Japan didn't start censoring anything until sometime during the Meiji period, when they were forced to open up trade after Captain Perry landed. You'll notice all the highly erotic Japanese classical art up until the late 19th century was not censored. The Meiji reforms also brought about forced cultural reforms in order to appeal to the west and trading partners. Kabuki, traditional "night life" were severely restricted, and brothels were eventually outlawed. This was also the time when they segregated male and females bathouses. Previously men and women bathed together openly, as is the case with the few remaining mixed gender onsen.

mdo7 wrote:
Well I always wondered how anatomy and physiology class in Japan are going to show anatomical image of genitals with this censorship, do they blur it out or does the law allow uncensored images of genitals for educational purpose rather then entertainment.

Anyway, it gets ridiculous. Japan require all genitals to be censored, but yet this festival like Hōnen Matsuri and Kanamara Matsuri can show off phallic shape object without any hassle from authorities. I mean look at this.

It only applies images / illustration / video. Physical objects like erotic figures, models of genitals, whether used for fertility festivals like you mentioned, pure edcuation, or sex toys are not censored. In fact, you can view them uncensored on amazon.co.jp as well

Doesn't make sense, but that's the forced governmental cultural reform that I mentioned that simply "stuck". Obviously not reflective of the culture nor the people. Personally I think it's kept simply as another legal instrument they use to beat people over the head with.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:48 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, Japan basically forced western ideals on themselves to open themselves up to the world, or something similar to that.

Goddamn European imperialism...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:33 pm Reply with quote
configspace wrote:

mdo7 wrote:
Well I always wondered how anatomy and physiology class in Japan are going to show anatomical image of genitals with this censorship, do they blur it out or does the law allow uncensored images of genitals for educational purpose rather then entertainment.

Anyway, it gets ridiculous. Japan require all genitals to be censored, but yet this festival like Hōnen Matsuri and Kanamara Matsuri can show off phallic shape object without any hassle from authorities. I mean look at this.

It only applies images / illustration / video. Physical objects like erotic figures, models of genitals, whether used for fertility festivals like you mentioned, pure edcuation, or sex toys are not censored. In fact, you can view them uncensored on amazon.co.jp as well

Doesn't make sense, but that's the forced governmental cultural reform that I mentioned that simply "stuck". Obviously not reflective of the culture nor the people. Personally I think it's kept simply as another legal instrument they use to beat people over the head with.


Oh OK, thanks for clearing that up. I wanted to know that and glad to know that not all thing that have genitals are censored.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:23 pm Reply with quote
Fencedude5609 wrote:
walw6pK4Alo wrote:

I'd like to see something more obscene than if Kakumei Seifu and Fatalpulse teamed up


Eh, Fatalpulse is just rape. Kakume Seifu though...yeah.


Kakumei Seifu doesn't ring a bell. *searches* Oh. Not what I was expecting. As in, not nearly as bad, unless I missed some truly messed up stuff skimming some search results.

Fatalpulse goes a bit past "just rape" but not much. His fetish is more "turned into sex slave/animal" which involves rape and I guess is a bit farther on the "OMGWTF" scale, but the emphasis is different. I actually find a lot of the "just rape" stuff to be much worse since the fetish point is often the victim's suffering. I don't mind Fatalpulse, but I cannot read Kawadi Max's stuff.

But anyway, Fatalpulse x Kakumei Seifu? Algolagnia alone already has that beat, I think. For a truly fucked up combination, try Algolagnia and, say, John K. Peta. Or Algolagnia x Aomizuan.

And MSTP did some pretty f'ed up futa F/SN doujins.

And that's not even getting into guro.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:34 pm Reply with quote
Hmm. While "what's the most %$#@ed up Japanese fetish/artist, and how could multiple fetishes be combined into something even more disturbing, and what fetishes can I stand or not stand" is somewhat relevant to this thread, I can see that line of discussion going down a somewhat unpleasant path. Also, we don't want Zac coming in here and calling us neanderthals to keep things under control, do we? Razz I joke a little there, but in all seriousness I can honestly see Zac putting his foot down if we aren't careful.

I am honestly curious as to why this guy got in trouble, whether it was just as simple as uncensored genitals or whether it was something else, but speculation as to what it might be if NOT uncensored genitals seems pointless at this point.
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