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TheZeonicFront wrote:

Crying misogyny over ever little thing deludes the original intent of the word for cases where it really needs to be applied, like this torso.

But by your definition, how does misogyny apply to this torso then? I don't believe this bust was made with the intent of expressing any degree of hate-filled violence towards women at all --- it seems to be more of a horror-culture joke about a sexy/beautiful body being torn to shreds, like you see in so many campy zombie/monster movies. It's much more akin to sexy B-movie horror memorabilia, not an espousal of the glory of mutilating women. I doubt if this was a male figure that people would be calling it misandry, because that element of hatred towards a specific gender wouldn't be there, the same way it doesn't seem to be here.

I understand what you are saying and it is most likely the mind set of the people involved in creating something like this and would explain how it got this far without someone saying, "This is bad taste."

I think if you presented this piece in an art gallery as a legitimate piece of art, it would be controversial, but wouldn't be questioned as a making a statement of some sort.

However it is a packaged consumer item for preordering a video game, and that takes a lot of the legitimacy out of any artistic intent.

It is a sticky debate I admit, and not everyone is offended by the same things.

But what Zac said is very true about how people don't like for their favorite things to be insulted and will often defend something they know to be in bad taste, like this thing, for the sake of the favorite thing they don't want insulted.

CrownKlown wrote:

Palm to face. The reaction to the dead island thing is a classic example of people bandwagoning so they don't end up that odd man out. I can honestly say not a single person here has actually played dead island. Its a game that takes place on a beach resort where 1/4 of it has bikini and beach clad zombies roaming around the place. I don't know why they choose this statute, but its not a representation of violence again women, its probably supposed to be a zombie torso. don't know why they did not just make a figurine instead of this, but I seriously don't think most rationale people would be offended. And for the record horror is an extremely, extremely popular genre. People collect anything they can related to it, for those of you who have seen Sankrea you know what I mean. And there are plenty of people who enjoy this particular hobby that would be fine with this. Honestly, you people need to grow up. Its a collectable anyway, 70-90 percent of the people who buy this wont even open up the package, and will display the whole box as a set. I think very few would actually plop this down on their coffee table, but if they did so what. Only digusting thing are some of the ignorant comments flowing on this message.

As a horror fan myself, I agree with you on this. When I saw this statue I thought it was funny, and was surprised to see people saying it was misogynistic. It's something of a horror movie trope for young sexy women to get torn to shreds by monsters (and guys too, it works both ways). This looks like the kind of decoration you'd see in a haunted house, or a collection of horror memorabilia. If they made a bust like this for something like MPD Psycho, that would seem kind of twisted --- but here, knowing it's for a zombie game, it just comes across as campy, B-movie stuff.

I think what's generally holding Tales back in the West, as opposed to Final Fantasy, is that Tales charas gotta act less like middle schoolers and more like high schoolers or above.

The real problem is more that the entire statue is creepily sexualized. Notice how the boobs are near-pristine. There's barely a scratch on them. It's a sexualized depiction of a murdered woman. She's been stripped of her head, arms, legs...everything except her bust is gone. This thing appeals to troglodytes who view women as walking pairs of breasts. iIf this doesn't sound disturbing to you...the thing looks like a serial killer's trophy.

The real problem is more that the entire statue is creepily sexualized. Notice how the boobs are near-pristine. There's barely a scratch on them. It's a sexualized depiction of a murdered woman. She's been stripped of her head, arms, legs...everything except her bust is gone. This thing appeals to troglodytes who view women as walking pairs of breasts. iIf this doesn't sound disturbing to you...the thing looks like a serial killer's trophy.

Misogyny is a term that should be used for the most hateful and violent depictions of women. I have been playing Corpse Party and while I think that it can sometimes be debatable if it is misogynistic, I decided to pick up the manga Corpse Party: Masamune thinking it was an adaptation of Corpse Party. hoo boy. That is misogyny. Only bad things happen to the girls, they are usually undressed before killed and implied raped and it's just disgusting. The author CLEARLY has some pent up feelings towards the fairer sex.

I'm not sure if you're at all a fan of horror movies, but fanservice/sex has always been a huge part of the genre --- part of the camp of horror flicks is watching the sexy/handsome antagonists get chopped to pieces (which is why so many horror movies revolve around dumb/annoying teenagers, like the Friday the 13th movies).

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I'm not sure if you're at all a fan of horror movies, but fanservice/sex has always been a huge part of the genre --- part of the camp of horror flicks is watching the sexy/handsome antagonists get chopped to pieces (which is why so many horror movies revolve around dumb/annoying teenagers, like the Friday the 13th movies).

"But horror's always been misogynistic!" is not a good response. It was also once the norm to have any non-white character be a horrendous stereotype, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be changed.

I'm not a fan of schlocky horror movies at all precisely because they always have this "watch this cute girl suffer! YAY~!" undertone to them. It's a western form of Ryona and it's no less disturbing.

Anyway, you're right about how crying misogyny over every little thing devalues the original meaning of the word, but this isn't misogyny. Nor is all the fanservice anime Zac hates. Misogyny is a 14 year old Pakistan girl being shot in the head 3 times for dare saying girls have a right to an education.

Chagen46 wrote:

Quote: I'm not sure if you're at all a fan of horror movies, but fanservice/sex has always been a huge part of the genre --- part of the camp of horror flicks is watching the sexy/handsome antagonists get chopped to pieces (which is why so many horror movies revolve around dumb/annoying teenagers, like the Friday the 13th movies). "But horror's always been misogynistic!" is not a good response. It was also once the norm to have any non-white character be a horrendous stereotype, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be changed. I'm not a fan of schlocky horror movies at all precisely because they always have this "watch this cute girl suffer! YAY~!" undertone to them. It's a western form of Ryona and it's no less disturbing.

Huh... well, I can't speak on behalf of all horror films, but for most of what I've seen I would say that the trope of killing off young sexy teens is for a campy, almost humorous effect. I usually don't watch horror films because I take them seriously, I'm usually laughing at the gruesome deaths that the characters undergo, especially if the writers made certain characters particularly annoying.

TBH, I think for fanservice/sex in a horror movie to be misogynistic, it would have to stem from a hatred of women (that's what misogyny means right?) But I've really never seen that as the case for horror movies in general --- usually it's just that fans enjoy titillation and they also like gore, and a lot of the schlockier films combine the two for trashy, oftentimes humorous effect. Whenever there's an annoying alpha blonde getting ripped apart by a monster, I've never had the impression that it stemmed from some screenwriter's deep-seated hatred of the female gender. And when you consider there are just as many films where the raven-haired, sensible heroine is the only survivor at the end (like Halloween, or the 90's Night of the Living Dead remake), it's even harder to say that the genre has a seething grudge against women in particular.

I suppose horror films are an acquired taste, so I'm just trying to make the case that they're usually not something to be taken seriously, (they're mostly entertaining for the thrills and the humor) and I've never had the impression that they're expressing some specific hatred towards women.

Why the hell does everyone want a 3DSXL so much? It can't really fit into pockets very well and a portable that can't fit into pockets is worthless.