Forum - View topicNEWS: Japan's Animation Blu-ray Disc Ranking, September 15-21
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enurtsol
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Yep, most anime do badly (just so happens that most anime involve fanservice). Every season, every "body is ready" for all anime, but still at least half of them will fail. 40+ anime each season aimed at the same few thousands people - there's not enough money to go around. (Of course, a franchise itself could still be OK when it gets money from more other things besides discs.)
Still plenty though we call it limited variety, i.e. it could be so much more (we measure it with its close cousin --manga-- which is truly variety). Most new anime are ghettoed to the same late-night crowd of few thousands Blu-ray buyers and involve high school one way or another, premises or ages - like watching the CW network all day, sure there's variety within the network, but it's only one in a sea of channels, inherently limited by core target demographic.
Guess they earned the privilege for the comeuppance of everybody eating crow. |
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Rederoin
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I'm talking about fanservice anime, which are different from anime that have fanservice. and anime with a big focus on fanservice tend to sell under the 2.5k line more often. Just a sidenote, I would not say that half the anime fail, we don't know if they do(unless they release such information). Just that half the anime get poor sales numbers(below 2.5k), which is no surprise since that is roughly around the mean average. And selling below average is more or less the definition of poor sales. |
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Parse Error
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We do know at least this much:
By the sound of it, that only takes things like home video sales and licensing fees into account. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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Now that the BD chart extends to 20 slots, we'll probably see Space Dandy rank near the bottom during a slow week. We never saw the discs for the first season rank anywhere, so you can extrapolate poor sales quite easily. At least no one working on the anime made any stupid statements like Yamakan's so we can't ridicule the show for its poor performance, but you can laugh at anyone who thought Dandy was going to change anything. I remember one article talking about how it was going to make people take anime more seriously, but this was before the show even premiered. |
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meepsheeps
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I'm glad for Free!, Haikyuu!! and various other sports anime!
 Well-deserved.
About the Space Dandy thing...'Kay, I like the show but it really lacks consistency, especially this season. It was already episodic (and yeah, we know continuity exists but...) and this time they decided to try giving different directors for every episode, which isn't necessarily a bad choice but I think that stumps the chance of anyone wanting to own the show on DVD/bluray. I liked several episodes (High School Musical and Scarlette date) more than others and whilst I think the good episodes would be worth buying, the others aren't. And like others said, it always appealed to the Western audience, not Japanese. |
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Angel M Cazares
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I think Funimation is going to sell a ton of BD/DVD copies of Space Dandy because the name Watanabe is attached to it, and those who do not buy it (like me) will be labeled as enemies of Western fandom. It's all about peer pressure and the silly belief that Toonami will make anime really, really popular in R1. |
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enurtsol
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Fair enough difference, noted. (Like Space Dandy staff already got their monies from Cartoon Network, who then already get their monies from TV ads, so they don't need to earn back as much and thus able to fund 2 cours straightaway.) Anime sells to so few people than there's very little margin between average-selling and poor-selling. It's not like there's enough buffer zone that even if ya don't hit your target, there's comfortable space to feel safe, so they have to hit the target.
Well, once upon a time, they did. It's mainly about timeslots. If anime could reclaim some of their old day slots to move beyond the late-night ghetto, for example Space Dandy would have a better chance (and this goes for Japan TV slots too) - some anime would do better on day viewers than merely on late-night crowd. |
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CrowLia
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You were there the last time this discussion happened and people on that same thread were pushing the exact same arguments you say I'm pulling out of my ass, give me a break. I've pulled some quotes from that conversation below, and I can find more from before Free aired that were exactly the same "hurr durr, women don't buy anime" that you're so sure I'm making up on the fly.
No one ever contested that Free can be popular with guys too. We've said all along that it's fricking great that guys can like this show, I honestly wish more male-oriented fanservice shows were so accessible to women. But that doesn't mean Free's success rides ENTIRELY on its popularity amongst men, or that it would've flopped without the men buying it, which is the argument we've had slapped in our faces time and time again ever since the show proved to be a success against all those zealot otakus' predictions. I can pull quotes from other threads with such a discussion, in which people claimed the only reason Free was gettng such high sales was because men were buying it:
Or that it wasn't even aimed at women to begin with:
Or that it couldn't really be considered a success for women buying power because:
I CAN keep going, but I'd be risking an "overquoting" report. There are dozens of threads with this kind of pathetic vitriol going on. We've taken pages over pages of this crap, it's only to be expected to rub the success of the female market in these losers' faces, and it's definitely not unprovoked. Because not 1, but 3 out of the top 5 in both BD and DVD lists are sports series mainly bought by women |
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Ingraman
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This volume of Free! is in a pending order of mine with Amazon that should ship in the next day or two, when the new volume of Fate/Illya gets released. I import the Free! BDs because I like how KyoAni animates the water/swimming, the too-rare glimpses of Kou, and the occasional entertainment by the guys. ^_^ |
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Fedora-san
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Thanks for clearing that up then. I suspect people assumed Space Dandy would be Cowboy Bebop 2.0 when they made that statement, as Space Dandy is on the total opposite end of serious scale.
That's an unusual assertion. All of these series originate from manga found in boys magazines. They were originally aimed at and popular with men. You'd have a very hard time trying to prove most people who enjoy these series are women. It also seems a bit hypocritical after you announced the issue you have with people saying men also buy Free. The most successful anime are ones with a large audience across all demographics and don't limit themselves to one audience. Which is probably why you rarely see certain genres get high sales. I think if you want a more accurate sample of purely female anime fan "purchasing power", it'd be better to look at series aimed specifically at women. Otome game adaptions, for example, or perhaps BL series. Those generally have small male audiences, so their sales would probably be more controlled. Series based on boys sports comics or light novels are naturally going to have a large draw from boys by default, even more so than gender-neutral series. |
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CrowLia
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Target audience and actual fanbase can be radically different. All of these sports manga may be in shonen magazines, but it would be disingenous to believe women aren't the main buying force, and Japan knows it. All of these series are primarily marketed in the female-oriented sections of anime shops. You'll clearly notice the trend in Japan. There's a noticeable divide between otaku shows (Love Live, SAO, Mahouka -usually close to the "ecchi anime that usually sells poorly section") usually full of bishoujo merchandise, and fujoshi shows (Free, Haikyuu, Yowapeda, KuroBas -usually close to the BL doujinshi section) usually full of bishounen merchandise, and the distinction is noticeable on the crowds on each side.
Also, "Free is a shonen anime aimed at male audiences" is one of those absolutely ludicrous arguments we've been countering the whole time. People are only saying it's male-targeted NOW that it's successful. Before it did all the comments were on the level "KyoAni why you do fujoshi trash".
Because forget about KyoAni, extremely few shows sell on K-On or Haruhi levels, and forget about Bake and Madoka, which I'm pretty sure is the "other non-KyoAni shows" you're talking about. That's [expletive] moving the goal posts because that's the only way you people can pretend to keep up this fallacy of "women don't buy anime" crap. Free has been KyoAni's most successful series since K-On, topping Chuu2, Hyouka, Nichijou, KyoKana and Tamako. Before Free aired, KyoAni fanboys cried tears of blood because "KyoAni was betraying them" and "wasting their money on fujoshi shows that wouldn't pay off" and "would go bankrupt because their betrayed otaku fanbase would boycott them", but it turned out that the one fujoshi show KyoAni produced has at least doubled the average sales of all other recent KyoAni otaku shows. |
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Parse Error
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Shonen Jump Brings All the Girls to the Yard Japanese girls love Shonen Jump Oricon: #1 Manga Mag for Japanese Girls Is…Shonen Jump There's plenty more along the same lines, and I'm only dealing with one magazine so far. It doesn't seem worth much effort though, because you wouldn't be arguing this in the first place unless you were unable to accept the alternative.
This goalpost will only remain there until, say, UtaPri or Hakuouki comes up.
The younger male audiences those manga are ostensibly aimed at are not so big on buying discs, so one cannot realistically attribute any significant portion of home video sales to them. |
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