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GATSU
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Cptn + Zalis: Um, Gundam 0079 made money. It's just that the a-holes at Namdai Japan shut down their U.S. home video division. Just because the show bombed in the ratings does not mean it was a money loss for the company. [In fact, 0079's been one of the more popular streams, which just means that it needed to find the a way to reach the right crowd, like a lot of older anime.] If there was no audience for the older Gundams here, then Vertical would not be publishing the manga here. Besides, they're not forcing anyone who hates old shows to watch. Just buy your UCs, Bebops, and Space Dandies and move on, if that's what you want.
Zalis: If you can't sell the original Pretty Cure here, then there's no audience for that franchise period. Same deal with Sailor Moon. Cptn: Gundam Wing was probably so successful here that Sunrise has a higher asking price for it than usual. pajmo: The other Gundams weren't huge, like Wing, but they did make money. Believe me, Right Stuf would not be betting on this, if they didn't have good sales tracking data. UC makes money for 'em.
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jr240483
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i wouldnt be so sure about G Gundam. that was definitely a bad series overall. definitely wont be worth to relicense it in the US. though seed and seed destiny is another story since like Wing is highly popular in the US and Canada otaku community. the same with 00. Also as much as i want build fighters to be released in the US, i'm afraid it wont be cause its like SD Gundam and Gundam AGE. Only aimed for kids and not the broad otaku community like 00 and the only way it would be licensed if its with a us company that is for kids like Viz Kids or god forbid Nelvana. Hopefully that wont happen and rightstuff / Nozumi Animation will license it. Which unfortunately will not bode well for the US base either since like Media Blasters and Sentai, would probably release their series sub only. |
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Zalis116
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I still maintain that Heartcatch would be a better starting point. It's widescreen, it's got contributing talent from other franchises like Doremi and Casshern Sins, its character development and fights are widely respected, and it managed to garner attention from viewers who never paid much attention to Pretty Cure in the first place, in addition to the core fandom. Before Heartcatch, no Pretty Cure series was ever fansubbed week-to-week as it aired. As of Heartcatch and afterwards, all of them have been. |
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Polycell
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While I've watched all the Precure I have in order(including waiting on PCSS to get through Yes! Pretty Cure 5), I can definitely say there's no particular reason to do so. doomydoomdoom has a very, very minute point with Gundam since it's got an actual continuity across shows, but nobody in their right mind would claim that the failure of people to be interested in the first season of Power Rangers would make it pointless to even try the post-Zordon ones. Heartcatch is definitely the one to start with if you're concerned about home video sales, though one of the more recent ones might be better for grabbing little girls.
As for Max Heart, I really think the worst part about it is that you can see them going from having no idea how to properly working Hikari in or what to do with the Heartiels to flat-out giving up and not even trying anymore(nicely illustrated by Hikari actually doing something in the first movie while the second is pure NagiHono as the plot). Either way, it still better not figure in anyone's decision to release the others. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I would be sure on G Gundam, nostalgia goes a long way and runs very deep. I fully expect Rightstuf/Nozomi to throw their full weight behind that and Wind once they get to them, with all of the other Gundams acting as contractual obligations, hence Kleckner mentioning release order. |
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jr240483
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yea, but its as i said. G Gundam and SD Gundam are overall very very bad and definitely not popular in the US let alone worth relicensing them. Gundam Wing , Seed & Seed Destiny on the other hand is another story. both are highly popular in the US otaku community and would make better sense moneywise for Right Stuff / Nozumi Animation. |
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GATSU
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Zalis:
They used to be on CR and GundamInfo, but Namdai's still run by a-holes who don't care if their stuff is torrented. That's why Sunrise is working around them: Because they're losing potential revenue from their brands because of bad management.
Um, Turn A is one of the newer ones. And they're selling UC as we speak. Anything else more recent than that is probably going to cost more, because it's new. Though I do think they could do more with Build Fighters if they bet on an AS/Toonami broadcast.
Yeah, but people in both camps have seen both shows fansubbed, and generally don't wanna pay for it, which is a factor in why Sailor Moon's taken so long to get licensed. But hey, if you really think Heartcatch is the shit, then bitch to Toei or Daisuki to at least stream it, and hope the people at the former company aren't still idiots. And maybe convince them to throw their hat in the ring with AnimeSols to crowdfund a DVD set of it. That's Toei's only bet to offload that show here. I thought they were already involved with Sols, 'cus of Kindaichi, but that's Yomiuri's doing, not Toei's, so... |
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Strike105
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On the contrary, SD Gundam Force was quite unpopular, but G Gundam was supposedly the second most popular Gundam series on North American television after Wing. It only gets flak from some "purists" because it's a "super robot" show while almost all of the others are "real robot" shows, though the "real robot" definition is becoming fuzzier with each new show installment. SEED and DESTINY's popularity are seemingly quite apparent with Japanese audiences, what with all the polls and all, but in North America, well... It's debatable. I know that when SEED aired on Toonami, its ratings weren't the greatest, and I've heard multiple rumors addressing the possible reasons for it, ranging from fans dropping the show out of annoyance with the unnecessary edits to the TV broadcast (the legendary disco air guns) to simply "Gundam fatigue" from the onslaught of shows and movies that aired on Cartoon Network's Toonami/Midnight Run/Adult Swim blocks in those four short years between Wing and SEED's airings (In no particular order: Wing, Endless Waltz, 0079, 08th MS Team, 0080, 0083, G, Char's Counterattack, SD Gundam Force, SEED). The SEED shows get A LOT of "hate" though. All you have to do is visit just about any blog or forum, and you are far more likely to find comments vehemently damning anything and everything carrying the SEED name, and/or claiming that they wish the creators and anyone who likes anything, and I do mean ANYTHING related to "that/those g@y/sh!tty/ret@rd/f@gg0t show(s)" a slow, painful death than any sort of praise. Most of those people are just simple trolls, and they don't give much reasoning for their apparent hatred, but said trolls are so uniquely numerous that it's hard to determine how many people actually like the shows, or which trolls are serious and which ones aren't. What started this troll onslaught, and why it's still running strong over 10 years later, I have no clue. I haven't heard a thing about the DVD/VHS sales on any of the shows though. Anyone have the numbers? |
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GATSU
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Strike: If they were able to put out all of those shows on DVD, without them being canceled mid-way, then someone was buying 'em, hopefully.
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tuxedocat
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Late to the party here, but this is a reason to celebrate. Very happy about this. Congrats & thanks to Mr, Kleckner for getting this.
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Zalis116
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penguintruth
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The older titles are certainly a risk, to be sure, to market here. The original series especially, which does not hold up in the production department, an old series nobody here grew up watching. Bandai Entertainment barely advertised it, Cartoon Network never gave it a full run, and unfortunately many anime fans are brutally ageist, including probably myself at times.
Don't get me wrong, it's a masterpiece classic, in terms of characters and enjoyability. But that age barrier, that's a tough thing, no matter how excellent a classic show is. And Sunrise always expects the shows the Japanese deem classics to go over just as well here where we haven't been exposed to them. I already have my copy of the original series on DVD, but I hope others give the show a shot. It's a little simplistic, but it's very compelling. Personally, I'd love to have the Zeta Gundam Blu-Rays, but I'm not holding my breath. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I hear you on being ageist to some series, but Gundam just about treads that line between being too low budget and low interest like most 70s mecha. Maybe fans need to work their way back through the 80s first with stuff like Dragonar, Orguss, VOTOMS, and Macross.
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GATSU
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Zalis: Newb anime fans wouldn't care about more recent Gundams, anyway. They think Eva is all they need to see.
penguin:
Then you might wanna cross your fingers and hope Right Stuf's able to negotiate with Sunrise on getting us the 'banned' episode from that set this time. |
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penguintruth
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I've seen that episode. It's... well, I understand why Tomino had it stricken. It looks like chicken scratch. But the story isn't awful.
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