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peko



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 8:42 am Reply with quote
Been wondering about this ever since I watched Train Man.
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Sahmbahdeh



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Rinkwolf wrote:

Evangelion take place in 1998 if I'm not mistaken, at least the series and the first 2 movies. So, this makes sense for Evangelions. Much like how Shinji uses a tape player walkman, not becasue he is retro but because of the time line he is in.


You are mistaken. Neon Genesis Evangelion takes place in 2015, so Shinji using a walkman is because he is retro. An important part of his character is that he clings to the past and is afraid of change, so the fact that his music playing device, which is also his prized possession, is old fashioned and outdated is part of the symbolism.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 9:37 am Reply with quote
This reminds me - when I was living in Japan I had two Japanese friends, both my age. Neither of them had a computer, which I always thought was weird. I just took it for granted that all my friends in Australia had one. I didn't even realise they didn't until I asked them if they also liked to draw digitally (we sketched together as a hobby), since I'm a lot better at that than using a pencil nowadays.

Most things they would have used a computer for, though, you can do on a smartphone. Even before smartphones, the average japanese phone was much more advanced than the average western one.

Now one of the friends has a tablet and I think the other got a laptop that the whole family shares. I often wondered if they'd have found it weird that every person in our family had their own laptop as well as the 'family' desktop computer.
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Nice Tea



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 10:00 am Reply with quote
Do you computer? Can totally see that phrase pop up in a conversation between japanese people.
Kinda ironic/strange how most/many of them don't know how to use a computer, while they are pretty much as active/addicted to internet/blogs/twitter with their smartphones as we do.
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Nice Tea wrote:
Kinda ironic/strange how most/many of them don't know how to use a computer, while they are pretty much as active/addicted to internet/blogs/twitter with their smartphones as we do.

Ironically, Japan has some of the most skilled overclockers in the world interviewed in this report along with Tomoko Ninomiya's manga.
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Kougeru



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Part of this is their educational system. While everybody does have to take a computer sciences class in high school, students only learn the most basic interactions with Microsoft Word and Excel.


This was how America was in mid 00's, so Japan can catch up if they really tried. I was maybe one of 20 people in my school that used a computer more than once a week. Then people discovered myspace and eventually facebook....
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 10:48 am Reply with quote
It's thanks to these kinds of questions that I realize how much of a vacuum in Japanese culture I'm exposed to. Animators are slowly using more and more 3D effects which use computers. All the doujin artists I know are mixing music on their macbooks. All the niconico videos and visual novels I consume require at least basic computer knowledge that I forget how low computer literacy actually is in Japan.

I had a similar eye opening sensation in Korea. My aunt's home had no wifi since it was only connected to two computers in the entire home via switch. That said, despite Korea's standards for internet, there were barely any decent home wifi or routers that existed, mainly because of how powerful cellphones and their respective companies were. You had the carrier's wifi hotspots literally everywhere including in the underground trains to the point where there was no need for wifi routing. Simply connect to your respective carrier's wifi hotspot once and it will jump access points for you. It's so convenient to the point where there's a data cap of about.... 50 MB(?) for a basic plan? If you REALLY needed a computer while on the go, just visit one of the many PC cafes littered throughout the cities.
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@Polycell You can "turn it off" if you install programs to run against it and further mess around with Windows code. xp-AntiSpy should get a Win10 version, sooner or later, too.

Regarding the old tech discussion. I got to use one of these due to an uncle:

The attached PC could only display the color green and my own´s MS-DOS helped to teach me English.
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Only if they absolutely insist on using pre-printed forms. If the form is set up in the computer as a template you can move from field to field filling in the blanks. Then if a hard copy is absolutely required they can print out the form and the responses at the same time.

I remember trying to type my income tax return on the forms provided. Getting the type just on the line required a lot of adjustment. It took practice and even then was a major hassle. I'm perfectly willing to buy tax preparation software every year to avoid that.


Well, it also depends on the business. If the business, organization, or agency receives a lot of paper forms from other places (the government or insurance companies, for instance), then either they have a skilled and experienced typist who can adjust the typewriter quickly and efficiently, or they just write them all on those papers. Which one is more efficient would depend on how skilled of a typist they can get.

I still see typewriters and typewriter supplies being sold at office stores and electronics stores, and new models seem to be released every year.

Zerreth wrote:
I had a similar eye opening sensation in Korea. My aunt's home had no wifi since it was only connected to two computers in the entire home via switch. That said, despite Korea's standards for internet, there were barely any decent home wifi or routers that existed, mainly because of how powerful cellphones and their respective companies were. You had the carrier's wifi hotspots literally everywhere including in the underground trains to the point where there was no need for wifi routing. Simply connect to your respective carrier's wifi hotspot once and it will jump access points for you. It's so convenient to the point where there's a data cap of about.... 50 MB(?) for a basic plan? If you REALLY needed a computer while on the go, just visit one of the many PC cafes littered throughout the cities.


That actually explains a lot about why cybercafés have been so popular in Korea. I remember cybercafés catching on in the United States, but they soon fell out of use when everyone got their own computers and Starbucks installed wi-fi in all of its locations.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 2:21 pm Reply with quote
AnimeLordLuis wrote:
WOW I never knew that Japan was so far behind when it came to computers, Which is such a shame since they're never know the Joy of using Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator or Indesign. Sad


They do use those among other image software. Just prowl around Pixiv and you'll see what they use (mostly Paint Tool SAI).

I still say as a whole that Japanese people are tech savvy, but decided to go a different path from the rest of the world. Whereas everyone else is proud that they can build a riced up gaming rig with a million lights and fans, they are set on doing everything portable and mobile for computing. Let's not forget their time and attention spent holding a portable device be it a DS, tablet or smartpbine. In other words, they are computer literate just not in the traditional Desktop PC sense. I also don't agree that they should "keep up with the Joneses" when it comes to tech literacy. This "Japan is falling behind" bogeyman only serves to do that. From what I read, Japan isn't the only country in this "PC laggard" state. Even the good ol' USA and Canada have chunks of the population who have not touched a PC in their lives.

Questions and answers like these open up even more misinderstandings about Japan, this time as some sort of portrayal that they're regressing into third world status or something.
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Shenl742



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 2:41 pm Reply with quote
Well...do you have any actual data to refute what Justin's saying? Or any of the reports and surveys that he's cited?

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@leafy sea dragon

There is no question that it depends on the specific business. However it is changing rapidly. Most government agencies have their applications and other paperwork available on line in electronic format. When I did an accident report to my insurance company by phone last year the woman was entering my information directly into the computer. Even my primary physician has a laptop in the examining room. He enters my information directly. When I needed a new prescription he faxed it directly to my pharmacy from the laptop.

It is a brave new world.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:28 pm Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:


Confusion between "lose" and "loose" still happens way up at the professional levels.



It's not even the most commonly confused set of words. I'd say it's "their," "they're," and "there."



What is that a pinball machine?
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:36 pm Reply with quote
Zerreth wrote:
I had a similar eye opening sensation in Korea. My aunt's home had no wifi since it was only connected to two computers in the entire home via switch. That said, despite Korea's standards for internet, there were barely any decent home wifi or routers that existed, mainly because of how powerful cellphones and their respective companies were.

Computer penetration in Korea is still considerably higher than in Japan, though it has fallen slightly in the past few years as people turn to smartphones instead: http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2014/12/12/smartphone-usage-overtakes-pcs-in-south-korea/

I'd imagine the continued development of speech-to-text and voice-controlled systems will be a boon to countries like Japan, Korea, and China with their character-based languages. Devices like the Amazon Echo and the forthcoming Google Home seem tailor-made for Asian countries. Do people in Japan use speech-to-text to write now?
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:36 pm Reply with quote
Alan45 wrote:
@leafy sea dragon

There is no question that it depends on the specific business. However it is changing rapidly. Most government agencies have their applications and other paperwork available on line in electronic format. When I did an accident report to my insurance company by phone last year the woman was entering my information directly into the computer. Even my primary physician has a laptop in the examining room. He enters my information directly. When I needed a new prescription he faxed it directly to my pharmacy from the laptop.

It is a brave new world.


Wow, I'm a bit jealous. I fractured my ankle earlier this month at work, and I was given a deluge of paper forms to fill from the company where I work, the insurance company, the hospital, and the government. Not one of them was digital. On rare occasions, I DO get digital forms. I'm guessing there was online communication between these various parties, but everything sent to me was 100% offline.

But I guess they have to account for people who might not have any electronic device to fill forms with.

BadNewsBlues wrote:
What is that a pinball machine?


Yes, it's Stern's 2007 release of Spider-Man, based on the movies starring Tobey Maguire.

It was never corrected during its entire run, but Stern has re-released the game using comic book artwork. The villain-themed modes all have completely different names, so that spelling mistake is not in that version.
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