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Aura Ichadora
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While it wasn't as good as S1, I thought Progressive did a good job at being entertaining. I like how there was still different art styling, even though it wasn't as prominent as in S1, and I did enjoy our new characters although sometimes some of the side characters did get a bit annoying. Although I was more turned off by how villainous Haruko basically was from the start; while I eventually got used to it and even understood some of it, compared to S1 that switch with her seemed to have flipped, even with or without Jinyu as part of her. She didn't seem that way in S1, or at least I didn't pick up on it.
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Huffdaddy
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I would compare FLCL Progressive to Bubblegum Crisis 2040. By that I mean, the show is not awful and is in fact in many ways a quite competent sequel to the classic original. Yet, it completely lacks in virtually all of the ways that the original was special. The action, music, the animation, the inventiveness and originality. I strongly suspect that much like BGC 2040, in 20 years no one will remember this show existed while the original will still be fondly remembered. Huffdaddy |
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BadNewsBlues
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So basically it was like the original FLCL?
......It looks basically the same as the original series.
Once again just like the first show.
.........who were either not good characters or relatively flat? which makes sense considering they existed in a series that ran for 6 episodes where they didn't get a whole lot of time to flesh them out.
Okay this really doesn't make sense even from cynical point of view. |
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jr240483
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i agree with PP!, but AO & GT? sure they had faults, but they definitely weren't bad to say the least. and in AO's case it pretty much fell under the same trap that derailed darling in the franxx. so while progressive inst the same as the original, its definitely not a bad anime sequel. if you really want bad sequel then look no further that to look at EVERY SINGLE GUNDAM SEQUEL that was released!! (ZZ, SEED Destiny, 00 season 2 & its movie, and especially IBO season 2 which if it wasn't for the mess that was NTR Trap & Scum's Wish would deserve worst anime of the year honors!) they pretty much threw away everything that made their prequels great, so while AO had its flaws, ITS A HELL OF A LOT BETTER than the those gundam sequels which should have quit while they were ahead! especially for the case of IBO , Zeta and SEED! |
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jdnation
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No. I was referring to the grounded-ness being in the original show, but absent form Progressive. So far the first episode of Alternative is more in line with this aspect to me than Progressive.
Yes and no. The original show had a consistency in its art direction, and when it broke 'character' made sense with the emotion the scene tried to convey. I don't feel Progressive manages it that well.
No. While the first show did have some far out concepts, as I described later I feel Progressive went too far off the meter. The first show consisted mainly of robot/monster fights. Things only got off the charts with the arrival of Atomisk, which made sense when he finally turned up in an apocalyptic kind of way, but we understand this because of what Atomisk is built up to being. Progressive kind of jumps the shark with plant girl and the anti-Mechanica corps and amusement park. It's hard for me to convey exactly what I mean, but it feels as if it went too far, and without any build-up...
His Dad and Grandpa were comic relief characters, but they know how to tug at Naoto's frustrations and bring them to the foreground. Mamimi is central to the plot in a very personal way for Naoto. As did the eyebrows dude contribute to the world building. I don't know what characters outside of Himeji or Ide provided in Progressive. The cross-dressing dude seems like just a way to get the plant girl into there. His other latin? friend seems primarily a test subject for the amusement park and just grows a short lived attraction to Himeji and seems to only be a side slice-of-life peek at unrequited love? And what were the Anti-Mechanica corps all about? World building certainly, but at least the authorities, particularly led by eyebrows from the original had a history and connection with Haruko.
Certainly I'm nitpicking... But it does make sense considering that Naoto's brother and his accomplishments and Mamimi's attraction to him are all important. Comparatively in Progressive, Himeji's dad up and left. Leaving only her mother and the diner. Certainly it's an important detail. But even here, that's like the only development. Naoto idolized his brother, and that's why he initially picked up baseball. But he can't live up to that. So it's more complex. So too for Mamimi who is rejected by him and latches on to Naoto as a result and she too has an arc. Himeji and her mother are just waiting for her father who left. That's the only development we know of him. There is no other revelation about who he was or why he did it. I'm not saying this is required for Progressive to be good or even to imitate. But in comparison to the original, regarding the obvious similarity of a person missing from each one's life, the original had more depth with regards to the central missing character. |
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Zof
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The original FLCL was a story about teenagers coming of age and learning that adults lie. And that you sometimes have to work with people that lied to you and that's life. He had a brother he wanted to be able to keep respecting, that seriously screwed over Mamami. And they all used to hang out together and be friends.
The original FLCL was also about perceptions. They'd go out of their way to show characters from the perspective of other characters. They did this a lot with Mamami. They wanted you to see how things can be seen differently depending who does the seeing. The original FLCL was also about knowing what you want, and acting on it. That message happened over and over again. And it was about how it feels when you know you want something, but you aren't sure what, and you have no idea how to act. And it was about not always getting what you want. The original FLCL had so much scope, there have been college courses about it. In just six short episodes. The scope and scale amazing. The new FLCL did not have scope. It felt like a hastily made, continuation bottle episode done on the leftover set of first project. The new FLCL had very little new to say. It was like a recycled themes and lip service bonanza. Like they had a list of themes to touch on and with each minor reference would check them off. The laziest thing they could have done to obtain scope, scale, and the kind of feel that they'd have needed to match the outstanding anthems from The Pillows would have been simply making Atomsk a full character with lines, and giving him a purpose other than being a plot device. Off of that they could have made something at least memorable, that felt big. Big like Atomsk. Note: I'm holding out hope FLCL Alternative is better. |
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darkchibi07
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Out of curiosity, is there anyone out there who watched Progressive as their first FLCL? If Progressive is reflective to what teens are now compared to the original FLCL's late 90s-early 2000s teens, I am curious what their take of Progressive is.
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Zof
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Here's what kills me about that soundbite. That FLCL somehow spoke to the children of the 90's. None of the themes were 90's-centric. That you can't hit the ball if you don't swing the bat, or that adults lie, or that it hurts when you love someone and they don't love you back, or that people you admire and trust can disappoint you sometimes. That growing up can suck and feel terrible sometimes. |
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Cabron
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It didn't work because Tsurumaki isn't the director.
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Gurren Rodan
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I'm just over halfway through Progressive right now, and I'm enjoying it so far. To me, it feels a lot like the first.
Then again, I've only seen FLCL once before, and it was a few years ago, and I didn't really get it at the time - so, um, I guess I'm just getting a "same 'ol" kick out the nonsense and madness playing out onscreen. |
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