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INTEREST: Digimon Tamers 20th Anniversary Stage Show Features 'Cancel Culture' Villain

I don't see anything wrong with promoting one side over the other in those cases, but that's not what this is about. It's about political correctness and cancel culture. What a lot of people are upset about over cancel culture in particular is the silencing of voices. Not in regards to a single post that promoted violence or shouted fire, but all future posts. I think a better solution is temporary suspensions or disclaimers. That is what Twitter was doing, and decently well I thought. But I think silencing voices entirely is very Fahrenheit-451.

What happens when you're countering misinformation with misinformation? Or worse, factual information with misinformation? What Konaka said when it comes to calling out fact checkers is spot on. Anyone who doesn't get their news from a variety of sources are the ones who aren't being properly informed. Especially in these days where narrative is more important than facts. Just look at how quickly the reporting on "kids in cages" changed into "migrant detection facilities" as soon as Biden became President. Or how reporters were more than willing to ignore the plight of Haitan citizens just to get a dig in at Trump when he called it a 'shithole' country' by posting photos from the richest, walled off, luxurious tourist resort that Haitan citizens themselves are banned from entering. Are those the kinds of sources you're placing your unwavering faith in to keep you informed?

NeoBasch wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with promoting one side over the other in those cases, but that's not what this is about. It's about political correctness and cancel culture. What a lot of people are upset about over cancel culture in particular is the silencing of voices. Not in regards to a single post that promoted violence or shouted fire, but all future posts. I think a better solution is temporary suspensions or disclaimers. That is what Twitter was doing, and decently well I thought. But I think silencing voices entirely is very Fahrenheit-451.

"Cancel Culture" is a meaningless buzzword people use to silence criticism of their ideas. It is an attempt at censorship in the name of opposing censorship. People use the phrase so that they never have to address criticism or defend their beliefs. Instead they just shout cancel culture in order to browbeat critics into shutting up. Calling opposition to conspiracy theories about a deadly pandemic "Cancel Culture". Only serves as a means to obfuscate the real world harm those conspiracies cause. Instead of owning his beliefs Konaka chose to disguise them. That is an act of cowardice.

Konaka chose to use a beloved children's cartoon as a platform for spreading conspiracies about a deadly virus. He admitted to this in his own blog. So there is no denying that was his intent. No one is "cancelling" him. He is dealing with the justified indignation that naturally comes from disseminating false and dangerous information. He is losing his platform because he has demonstrated that he cannot be trusted to use that platform without causing harm.

Also the phrase is not "shouting fire". It's "shouting fire in a movie theater". You don't shout fire in a movie theater because it causes people to panic. When people panic that causes a stampede. And when people stampede in a crowded space that leads to people being knocked over and trampled to death.

Spreading covid-19 conspiracy theories is functionally the same as shouting fire in a movie theater. It incites panic which leads people to make bad decisions regarding the virus. Causing thousands of preventable deaths as a result.

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What happens when you're countering misinformation with misinformation? Or worse, factual information with misinformation? What Konaka said when it comes to calling out fact checkers is spot on. Anyone who doesn't get their news from a variety of sources are the ones who aren't being properly informed. Especially in these days where narrative is more important than facts. Just look at how quickly the reporting on "kids in cages" changed into "migrant detection facilities" as soon as Biden became President. Or how reporters were more than willing to ignore the plight of Haitan citizens just to get a dig in at Trump when he called it a 'shithole' country' by posting photos from the richest, walled off, luxurious tourist resort that Haitan citizens themselves are banned from entering. Are those the kinds of sources you're placing your unwavering faith in to keep you informed?

That's a quality straw man you have there. "Alternative media" is a weasel phrase that could be used for any media that's not considered "mainstream" regardless of quality or legitimacy. But when it's used by conspiracy theorists. It almost always means other conspiracy theorists and therefore should be dismissed as the trojan horse that it is. You are also committing the perfectionist fallacy. Just because a source isn't 100% correct all of the time doesn't mean it shouldn't be trusted. What matters is whether it is more likely to be correct than wrong. Mainstream media sometimes makes mistakes but more often than not is correct. On the other hand conspiracy theorists are almost never correct and therefore should never be given any legitimacy.

I hope someday you recognize how harmful what you wrote is. Dissenting views are not something to be ashamed of, let alone punished. That sounds an awful lot like a form of tyranny to me. Perhaps if you have a kid someday and you find out they don't agree with you on something you hold dear you will finally realize.

Cancel culture is not just a buzzword. It is a phrase to describe a seemingly common and recognizable movement to suppress voices. Again, I don't disagree with the notion that people should face consequences for their actions. I just believe it is a fine line that has already been crossed many times.

Also I don't need to be corrected on a saying when you yourself didn't state the context in your original post. Nor, taking it into account, would it necessarily lead to panic let alone violence.

I don't need a walkthrough on logic either. I write computer programs for a living. I understand logic just fine.

I'm going to keep it simple. People should check their sources, watch for bias, and be mindful of others. That goes both ways. Anything short of that reeks of ulterior motives. Often times I wonder if it's because people seek the validation of their peers. In which case, I just recommend what I do from time to time... take some time away from internet communities, social networking, and whatever else to collect yourself and refocus on building up your own self-esteem.

And please, if anybody reading this considers themselves liberal, you don't need to adopt these same views or talking points, you can disagree. In fact that's what makes you human. No two people are ever the same. Nor should they be, what would be the point in leading the same life as another. Lead your own, and be courteous to others.

Not everyone on the left agrees with all of this nonsense, notable example Barack Obama: https://www.businessinsider.com/barack-obama-slams-call-out-culture-young-not-activism-2019-10

I hope someday you recognize how harmful what you wrote is. Dissenting views are not something to be ashamed of, let alone punished. That sounds an awful lot like a form of tyranny to me. Perhaps if you have a kid someday and you find out they don't agree with you on something you hold dear you will finally realize.

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That's not exactly what happened. The people who harassed her for making BL doujinshi had done so because radfems had convinced them that BL/yaoi "fetishizes gay men" because they were written by women.

That's a tangent to the actual thread, but I still want to say it: it IS a fetish though. Clearly. Not only because the vast majority of BL content is either straight up porn or very much sexual in nature, but as far as I'm aware the vast majority of authors are straight women. You can't seriosly look at those two points and just come to the conclusion that Yaoi is some sort of inclusive expression of homossexuality in Japan. I may be wrong on this, but as far as I'm aware homossexuality is not celebrated in Japan at all, meaning that it's very much backwards when it comes to how many people are in the closet, gay pride and whatnot. The only circumstance in which such content seems to be acceptable is titillating content for women.
I don't know the extent of the harassament this artist suffered for being into BL, and I would argue harassment in and of itself is of course wrong, especially since the work she's doing now doesn't even have anything to do with it. But it's not a reach or political hysteria at all to call BL for what it is: porn (or at the very least fanservice) for women. Why so many heterossexual women enjoy gay porn between two men is indeed odd, though I suppose it's for the same reason a lot of straight men enjoy lesbian content.
Now, I'm not saying Yaoi is inherently wrong or that it shouldn't exist. I'm just saying criticism to it is valid as any other.